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| JeffBowlsby |
Dec 11 2007, 10:00 AM
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I recently set out to identify possible substitute fuel injectors for stock 914s. With the interest in replacement PEFI, I thought it was important to identify any options for this important part. I have not obtained or physically tested any of the injectors below, the information is based only on published data from the internet and hard copy sources available to me.
The easiest solution is to identify identically performing fuel injectors that can be direct substitutes for the original part numbers. Direct substitutes are convenient because they can be installed into new PEFI installations or existing FI systems if original parts cannot be obtained. Criteria here include that the substitute be compatible physically for mounting purposes and identical in function/performance to the original injector. I was hoping to find new alternate injectors for <$50 each that were plentiful, but I could not find anything available. As it turns I found information that the original Bosch pintle-style injectors are a very robust design and are the only physically similar injectors, allowing stock 914 mounting hardware and fuel/electrical connections, which for this option is important. No manufacturer makes anything similar or easily adaptable. Several different Bosch injectors are excellent matches for original 914 injector part numbers, why Bosch offers several seemingly identical injectors with different PNs I am not certain, but there are hints that the injector bodies are very similar if not identical, it’s only the attached hose that is different – short/long, straight or angled. Hoses are easily changed. A side by side comparison and testing would be important to distinguish actual differences. Don’t think that 914 injector flows are hugenormous, The original PN injectors are nicely sized and capable of supplying sufficient fuel for 914 engines with only short duty cycles, which contributes to their durability and long service life. Bosch makes several injectors with comparatively enormous flow rates much greater than 914 injectors. Substitute identical injectors I found were all about the same price, and mostly made for Volvos and Mercedes Benz’ of the same vintage as the 914 using D-Jet fuel injection, which raises a concern. Not only are these substitute injectors no less expensive than the 914 part number, it would seem likely that at sometime in the future when Bosch decides to no longer support 914 injectors they might also drop all injectors of this design and era, so at that time, this straight substitution will not be an option. Who knows when or if that might be? The chart below shows several possible substitute Bosch part numbers that seem to be sufficiently identical to the original 914 injectors. I found at least one source for each of them, with only a brief search. A second solution uses physically identical injectors, but part numbers with different functional characteristics, compensating with PEFI tuning to make them work. I don’t think this is the easiest solution, but it could certainly work well. They should easily mount right up, but one problem is that these Bosch pintle-style injectors that may go obsolete. Another issue is that tuning a PEFI with these parts requires a commitment to those specific parts, or retuning using different parts in the future may be required. Great news though…check out the injectors that are bolt-ins for the 1.8L 914, especially part number 0 280 150 114 for many VWs. I found this PN available from several sources for as little $65 new. They require electrical connector swaps (easy), but there are so many cars that use them, including newer cars than the 914 that they should be plentiful for many years to come. These injectors will require longer duty cycles, but nothing extreme. A third option which I see as the last resort or only for very special needs is to use other suitable injectors of any physical design and functional characteristics. This is the most difficult option, promising at this point in time, little if any benefit to most owners. Newer style injectors could be selected and a PEFI could be tuned to work. Fabrication work would be necessary to configure a fuel rail and other mounting and electrical requirements, which for many is not possible or expensive in terms of time and/or cost. I perceive this to be the most expensive option in time and cost, for undetermined benefit. Thought I would pass what information I found for reference…use it at your own risk. Do you know of any other options? Attached thumbnail(s) |
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| Jake Raby |
Dec 11 2007, 10:01 PM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
No, these are stock runners with the bung modification made to them...
The stock 2.0 runners support my 155HP common plenum 2270-155 combo very well. |
Jeff Bowlsby 914 Fuel Injector Substitutes? Dec 11 2007, 10:00 AM
McMark Wow, Jeff, that's really cool. Very interesti... Dec 11 2007, 10:15 AM
rick 918-S Nice work Jeff. I used a couple of injectors from... Dec 11 2007, 10:36 AM
p914 Hey Jeff
Great info. Here's another chart of... Dec 11 2007, 11:18 AM
jimkelly this looks promising
http://www.914world.com/bbs2... Dec 11 2007, 11:34 AM
Root_Werks
this looks promising
http://www.914world.com/bbs... Nov 24 2008, 03:31 PM
toon1 Is your plan to go to a PEFI? Dec 11 2007, 11:43 AM
Jake Raby Great info..
We'll be offering (stock) intake ... Dec 11 2007, 04:40 PM
rick 918-S Jake, Are your intakes larger inside as well? Othe... Dec 11 2007, 08:55 PM
toon1 ALso , some newer style inj's have an O ring o... Dec 11 2007, 10:10 PM
Root_Werks I searched and found this thread with really great... Nov 24 2008, 08:48 AM
Spoke Anyone familiar with these injectors on Ebay? They... Nov 24 2008, 10:08 AM
Mark Henry
Anyone familiar with these injectors on Ebay? The... Nov 24 2008, 12:44 PM
Drums66
[quote name='Spoke' post='1105007' date='Nov 24 2... Nov 24 2008, 04:35 PM
Root_Werks Sooooo, I got my injector today. Dec 2 2008, 08:51 PM
Root_Werks I don't think the injector would be made in Ge... Dec 2 2008, 08:52 PM
Root_Werks Check out the tip! Dec 2 2008, 08:53 PM
Root_Werks Other than the tip being a little different and sl... Dec 2 2008, 08:56 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Kuhl Dan....Are these the equivalent to the 0280 1... Dec 2 2008, 09:51 PM
Root_Werks I duno, but man, it sure looks cool! :woohoo: Dec 2 2008, 10:05 PM
Root_Werks Jeff, yes it's the 036 injector. Which also l... Dec 2 2008, 10:09 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Gives new meaning to the term 'Multi-port Inje... Dec 2 2008, 10:43 PM
McMark TriPort injectors are just a different 'valve... Dec 3 2008, 03:22 PM
Root_Werks That's good to know. This might be a good alt... Dec 3 2008, 04:05 PM
3liter914-6 Some of the FI beetle guys have been modifying L-J... Dec 3 2008, 05:34 PM
rjames
Especially at only $50 bucks per injector. ... Dec 3 2008, 06:01 PM
jk76.914 As I reported at the time, I installed the Niehoff... Dec 3 2008, 11:17 PM
jk76.914 Just checked my records. Actually I put the Nieho... Dec 3 2008, 11:41 PM
Root_Werks This has turned out to be a really great info thre... Dec 4 2008, 10:55 AM
Cevan I may need a 2.0 injector. Partsamerica.com is go... Mar 25 2009, 10:42 AM
jk76.914
I may need a 2.0 injector. Partsamerica.com is g... Mar 27 2009, 06:14 PM
Zaffer Bringing up a long dead thread, but feel it's ... Apr 27 2020, 09:32 AM
GregAmy
I am looking to either send my injectors off to h... Apr 27 2020, 01:01 PM
DRPHIL914
[quote name='Zaffer' post='2808867' date='Apr 27 ... Jul 7 2021, 10:15 AM
JamesM Figure I would post a couple things here for publi... Jul 7 2021, 12:20 PM
sean_v8_914 I have used these guys several times. $18 an ... Mar 25 2009, 11:30 AM
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Uraquan For those using the FJ67 injector, what are you us... Dec 11 2021, 10:23 AM
emerygt350
For those using the FJ67 injector, what are you u... Dec 11 2021, 01:39 PM
FlacaProductions i'm using the normal ones as well - https://ww... Dec 11 2021, 03:13 PM
iankarr Another vote for normal. I rarely get to say I... Dec 11 2021, 04:56 PM
Uraquan Looks like the normals have it!
I think I got... Dec 12 2021, 05:30 PM![]() ![]() |
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