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ConeDodger
post Dec 17 2007, 08:35 PM
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Just rolled into the driveway from a 70 mile trip back from McMark's Original Customs Shop in Napa... Wow. I left Mark's shop at about 4:30pm so I knew I was going to get some traffic. But magically, it was sporadic and I just cruised. This motor just never ceases to amaze me. 5th gear passes are no problem. The power is everywhere. Not peaky at all. just pulls from the bottom to the top. I love this motor!!!

I think my motor is a similar combo to Dave Hunt. He has Nickies which are actually good for a little power in addition to better cooling.

I will be working out some details over the winter which will be small stuff at best. Possibly an external oil cooler. Though, I have to tell you guys this again, this motor runs cooler than my stock 2.0 liter.

I strongly recommend the 2270 Raby kit. Build it yourself or have Mark do it. He has a couple of them under his belt now. This is the motor VW-Porsche should have used.
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post Dec 24 2007, 01:22 PM
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I keep reading all about the Raby engine and I sure wish that there was one up here in Pa.I really would like to be able to keep up with the 911 going up the small mountains we have here in Pa.(I have to let my wife go first up the hills in the 911)
I was told by one of the local guys for $5000 I can get you to between 140hp to 145hp.
Hmmm I must do more due diligence on this ...I need more power.
I need to see about building one myself....I think I can , I think I can do it.
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post Dec 24 2007, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(jwhcars @ Dec 24 2007, 11:22 AM) *

I keep reading all about the Raby engine and I sure wish that there was one up here in Pa.I really would like to be able to keep up with the 911 going up the small mountains we have here in Pa.(I have to let my wife go first up the hills in the 911)
I was told by one of the local guys for $5000 I can get you to between 140hp to 145hp.
Hmmm I must do more due diligence on this ...I need more power.
I need to see about building one myself....I think I can , I think I can do it.


The kit will get you more power than that. Plus many of the engines out there that put more HP into the Type IV actually are so poorly designed that they are undriveable. Too peaky, run too hot, self-destruct in no time. I am not saying that Mr. Raby is the only Type IV engine builder/designer on earth but his testing is right out here in front of God and everybody. If he messes up, his pants will be down around his ankles right in front of all of us...
I worked in a Porsche shop as an undergrad and the owner used to build "disposible" motors for his ice race 914. All you have to do to make more power is BIG cylinders and pistons with BIG compression and a peaky cam. It will not last. But it will make bigger numbers on a dyno. Problem is you don't drive on a dyno. Last I checked the real world was outside. This engine was designed for the real world. You will not grow to hate this motor. That is more important than many people realize.

There are really only two complicated processes involved. One is the Deck Height Measurements, the other is Valve Train Geometry. Both have technical articals posted by Jake on his site. I had a Mark with me so this was infinately less painful for me than others. For one thing, he had the tools. For another, he has done this many times with his $5000 dollar motors.

I said this before but it bears repeating, this is the motor that VW-Porsche should have used. This is such a fun car now. I cannot wait for next autocross season. Even Trekkor thinks I should take it to the track.

Depending on what 911 we are talking about and just how open the road is, your wife may see nothing but taillights if you built this motor... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Dec 24 2007, 12:49 PM) *

The kit will get you more power than that. Plus many of the engines out there that put more HP into the Type IV actually are so poorly designed that they are undriveable. Too peaky, run too hot, self-destruct in no time. I am not saying that Mr. Raby is the only Type IV engine builder/designer on earth but his testing is right out here in front of God and everybody. If he messes up, his pants will be down around his ankles right in front of all of us...
I worked in a Porsche shop as an undergrad and the owner used to build "disposible" motors for his ice race 914. All you have to do to make more power is BIG cylinders and pistons with BIG compression and a peaky cam. It will not last. But it will make bigger numbers on a dyno. Problem is you don't drive on a dyno. Last I checked the real world was outside. This engine was designed for the real world. You will not grow to hate this motor. That is more important than many people realize.


That is an excellent post Rob! Often people look for a dyno queen engine! (peak hp sucks if you only get it on the last 200 rpm you got!)
I am now more seriously considering this option to my feebly powered 1.8L. After reading Jake's posts and website info, it seems like he is the type of straight shooter one would want to deal with as an engine builder. Working and devoloping one specific engine platform...and definetly showing pride in it is never a bad thing! I would like to hear some high mileage testimonials (not that I doubt the reliability, but it is always nice to hear!).
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ConeDodger   Rolling Thunder!   Dec 17 2007, 08:35 PM
craig downs   Your getting me to excited . I can hardly wait to ...   Dec 17 2007, 08:43 PM
ConeDodger   Your getting me to excited . I can hardly wait to...   Dec 17 2007, 08:48 PM
craig downs   Haven't started it yet. I actually have it set...   Dec 17 2007, 09:09 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   Rob, I can only imagine, considering how nicely my...   Dec 17 2007, 09:15 PM
ppickerell   Just rolled into the driveway from a 70 mile trip...   Dec 17 2007, 09:29 PM
1bad914   You suck! :)   Dec 17 2007, 09:39 PM
toon1   You suck! :) :agree: don't rub it in :...   Dec 17 2007, 10:31 PM
Gint   You suck! :) :agree: don't rub it in ...   Dec 17 2007, 11:19 PM
ConeDodger   [quote name='toon1' post='978037' date='Dec 17 20...   Dec 17 2007, 11:42 PM
ConeDodger   Ok... Oh! Did you mean car pictures???   Dec 17 2007, 11:07 PM
ConeDodger   Posing for the camera...   Dec 17 2007, 11:11 PM
ConeDodger   Dan, I think between the handling of the 914 and y...   Dec 17 2007, 11:42 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   Dan, I think between the handling of the 914 and ...   Dec 18 2007, 12:17 AM
LarryR   Dan, I think between the handling of the 914 and...   Dec 18 2007, 12:38 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   handling on a well setup SWB 911 is not so bad.......   Dec 18 2007, 12:40 AM
LarryR   handling on a well setup SWB 911 is not so bad......   Dec 18 2007, 12:46 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   this past weekend I disposed of a 71S, a 996, a 99...   Dec 18 2007, 12:51 AM
ConeDodger   this past weekend I disposed of a 71S, a 996, a 9...   Dec 18 2007, 01:06 PM
ChrisNPDrider   All I can say is - THAT WAS FUN! Thanks again ...   Dec 18 2007, 12:57 AM
ConeDodger   All I can say is - THAT WAS FUN! Thanks again...   Dec 18 2007, 01:16 PM
Jake Raby   Well, well, well.... How a couple of years can ch...   Dec 18 2007, 06:07 AM
type11969   Thats rad Jake, keep up the good work!   Dec 18 2007, 06:50 AM
Jake Raby   Thats rad Jake, keep up the good work! Than...   Dec 18 2007, 07:17 AM
Gint   Thats rad Jake, keep up the good work! Tha...   Dec 18 2007, 07:48 AM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='978137' date='Dec 1...   Dec 18 2007, 10:23 AM
type11969   wah wah wah wahter cooled? Really? When you make i...   Dec 18 2007, 07:39 AM
toon1   Ok... Oh! Did you mean car pictures??? ...   Dec 18 2007, 08:38 AM
ConeDodger   Ok... Oh! Did you mean car pictures??? ...   Dec 18 2007, 05:51 PM
DNHunt   I'm getting so exited to get my engine home. I...   Dec 18 2007, 08:47 AM
Joe Ricard   And none of us cheap bastards could afford them no...   Dec 18 2007, 10:15 AM
JmuRiz   I really hate these posts, makes me want to spend ...   Dec 18 2007, 12:29 PM
ConeDodger   For all you guys that said "but for the money...   Dec 18 2007, 01:20 PM
toon1   Just courious, What's the fuel mileage?   Dec 18 2007, 01:45 PM
Jake Raby   Just courious, What's the fuel mileage? ...   Dec 18 2007, 04:03 PM
ConeDodger   Just courious, What's the fuel mileage? ...   Dec 18 2007, 05:48 PM
ChrisNPDrider   I object to the noise because it intereferes with ...   Dec 18 2007, 02:14 PM
Jake Raby   Let me know if you find the gaskets.... Also, wha...   Dec 18 2007, 10:09 PM
atomix8   Let me know if you find the gaskets.... Also, wh...   Dec 20 2007, 08:23 AM
toon1   [quote name='toon1' post='978157' date='Dec 18 20...   Dec 18 2007, 11:43 PM
ConeDodger   [quote name='toon1' post='978157' date='Dec 18 2...   Dec 19 2007, 01:30 AM
Cevan   :ttiwwp: Of the engine that is.   Dec 19 2007, 02:12 PM
Trevorg7   What exhaust are you running? T   Dec 20 2007, 12:32 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   What exhaust are you running? T Trevor, I belie...   Dec 20 2007, 12:35 AM
ConeDodger   Dan is right, I am running Tangerine Header with h...   Dec 20 2007, 10:43 AM
Jerry   I have Dells on my 2056 and they have the chirp a...   Dec 20 2007, 11:13 AM
ConeDodger   I have Dells on my 2056 and they have the chirp ...   Dec 20 2007, 11:25 AM
Jake Raby   Dells were OEm carbs for Fiats.. In the Fiat carb ...   Dec 20 2007, 11:41 AM
McMark   Found these that might help: Gasket Here's a...   Dec 20 2007, 01:33 PM
ConeDodger   Found these that might help: Gasket Here's ...   Dec 21 2007, 11:11 AM
rhodyguy   that rtv looks like shit. rob, didn't ACE do y...   Dec 21 2007, 11:23 AM
ConeDodger   that rtv looks like shit. rob, didn't ACE do ...   Dec 21 2007, 11:27 AM
McMark   Yup, pulled that pic off TheSamba. ;)   Dec 21 2007, 01:05 PM
atomix8   Hmm, now you've got me convinced I need to rip...   Dec 21 2007, 02:05 PM
ConeDodger   Engine pic... Hmmm... Why is it tiny? Maybe Mark c...   Dec 22 2007, 11:40 AM
Gint   Engine pic... Hmmm... Why is it tiny? Maybe Mark ...   Dec 22 2007, 11:44 AM
McMark   Like black much? :rotfl:   Dec 22 2007, 11:52 AM
ConeDodger   Like black much? :rotfl: Very funny Burger-Boy...   Dec 22 2007, 12:30 PM
Eric_Shea   What... Rob; you still have money left? Didn...   Dec 22 2007, 11:57 AM
ConeDodger   What... Rob; you still have money left? Didn...   Dec 22 2007, 12:42 PM
type11969   Can you tap the port and put a plug into it?   Dec 22 2007, 12:16 PM
ConeDodger   Can you tap the port and put a plug into it? It...   Dec 22 2007, 12:34 PM
scotty b   Can you tap the port and put a plug into it? I...   Dec 24 2007, 01:31 PM
ConeDodger   Just got back from a drive with Nicho. He says I h...   Dec 23 2007, 05:02 PM
Jake Raby   130... You still had some gear left before you ran...   Dec 24 2007, 09:47 AM
ConeDodger   130... You still had some gear left before you ra...   Dec 24 2007, 11:43 AM
Sleepin   Sweet! I would love to have one! I am trul...   Dec 24 2007, 10:58 AM
ConeDodger   Sweet! I would love to have one! I am tru...   Dec 24 2007, 11:44 AM
Sleepin   With all of that wide open space just outside o...   Dec 24 2007, 12:09 PM
porschecb   Wow!!!! 130 mph on a public road ...   Dec 24 2007, 11:58 AM
ConeDodger   Wow!!!! 130 mph on a public road...   Dec 24 2007, 12:02 PM
jwhcars   I keep reading all about the Raby engine and I sur...   Dec 24 2007, 01:22 PM
ConeDodger   I keep reading all about the Raby engine and I su...   Dec 24 2007, 01:49 PM
Sleepin   The kit will get you more power than that. Plus m...   Dec 25 2007, 12:40 AM
ConeDodger   That is an excellent post Rob! Often people l...   Dec 25 2007, 11:29 AM
Eric Taylor   man this is really making me think about just keep...   Dec 24 2007, 01:49 PM
ConeDodger   man this is really making me think about just kee...   Dec 24 2007, 01:51 PM
jwhcars   I have been reading his web page and I think the 2...   Dec 24 2007, 03:13 PM
Jake Raby   With my "Extensive prep service" option ...   Dec 24 2007, 09:39 PM
DNHunt   Time for me to interject a couple of things. Firs...   Dec 26 2007, 08:17 AM
ConeDodger   Thanks Dave for that interjection... Dave was one ...   Dec 26 2007, 12:49 PM
Jake Raby   Excellent... Keep driving the hell out of it, the...   Dec 26 2007, 09:17 PM
davep   Keep driving the hell out of it, the harder you b...   Dec 27 2007, 10:09 AM
ConeDodger   Can't wait to beat it like this...   Dec 26 2007, 11:43 PM
grantsfo   Glad everything has worked out for you Rob. Do yo...   Dec 27 2007, 12:31 AM
Jake Raby   What Rob needs is tires... Wide assed tires and bi...   Dec 27 2007, 09:54 AM
grantsfo   What Rob needs is tires... Wide assed tires and b...   Dec 27 2007, 10:03 AM
Jake Raby   What Rob needs is tires... Wide assed tires and ...   Dec 27 2007, 10:34 AM
grantsfo   Blake is my tranny expert.. He and I have been w...   Dec 27 2007, 09:04 PM
ConeDodger   Blake is my tranny expert.. He and I have been ...   Dec 28 2007, 09:05 AM
ConeDodger   No time to chat right now but I will add this. T...   Dec 27 2007, 10:38 AM
Jake Raby   No time to chat right now but I will add this. ...   Dec 27 2007, 10:47 AM
DNHunt   The few times I've AX'ed my car with my en...   Dec 28 2007, 10:10 AM
J P Stein   The few times I've AX'ed my car with my e...   Dec 28 2007, 10:44 AM
ConeDodger   The Guard Torque Biasing unit should make somewhat...   Dec 28 2007, 10:33 AM
ChrisNPDrider   Next year at the GGR AX races should be a hoot...   Dec 28 2007, 11:51 AM
Jake Raby   I like this version of Grant.... :-) The MassIVe...   Dec 28 2007, 01:56 PM
ConeDodger   So the latest work to the "bitchy blonde...   Jan 12 2008, 11:34 AM
Todd Enlund   This is the look I am going for... if someone wit...   Jan 12 2008, 01:22 PM
ConeDodger   Wow Todd, That is great! RSR wheels traditiona...   Jan 12 2008, 03:19 PM
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