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> Ethics Question, Removing ABS from a Street Boxster
Series9
post Oct 20 2011, 07:13 PM
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I have a Boxster customer with a brake problem. She's had the car for 140k miles and has taken it with her to Hawaii and back.

Late in August, she experienced a very strange brake failure about 50 yards from her driveway. The pedal went to the floor. She stopped with the parking brake. Immediately after stopping, the brakes worked normally again.

She took the car to her old mechanic, who replaced the master cylinder.

Last week, it happened again. This time, she was going 45 and had to swerve to miss traffic. She ended up in the grass, facing the other way by the time she stopped. Once again, the brakes were back immediately and she drove home.

When she returned to her mechanic, he told her the car was a liability and said he couldn't help her any more.

That's when she found me.



There are no fault codes stored or active for the ABS and she is now afraid of the car. She wants to keep it, though.

She's a school teacher who can't afford the $4000+ bill to replace the ABS (if that were to become necessary).

We have discussed bypassing the ABS hydraulically, but I told her I have ethical questions I have to ponder before doing so.




I would like your opinions, please.
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Series9   Ethics Question   Oct 20 2011, 07:13 PM
messix   i think the liabilty of altering the brake system ...   Oct 20 2011, 07:19 PM
Krieger   Last time I checked, there were tons of cars on th...   Oct 20 2011, 07:19 PM
Series9   That's why I asked an ethics question and not ...   Oct 20 2011, 07:22 PM
flipb   A quick web search turned up this similar story. ...   Oct 20 2011, 07:22 PM
Series9   A quick web search turned up this similar story. ...   Oct 20 2011, 07:26 PM
Elliot Cannon   [quote name='flipb' post='1558315' date='Oct 20 2...   Oct 20 2011, 07:32 PM
76-914   [quote name='flipb' post='1558315' date='Oct 20 ...   Oct 20 2011, 08:00 PM
carr914   I wouldn't do it. There are Millions of Scumba...   Oct 20 2011, 07:24 PM
Elliot Cannon   I wouldn't do it. There are Millions of Scumb...   Oct 20 2011, 07:27 PM
carr914   I wouldn't do it. There are Millions of Scum...   Oct 20 2011, 07:35 PM
mepstein   Don't lots of people modify their brake system...   Oct 20 2011, 07:52 PM
Joe Owensby   I probably would not do it. Although it is a lo...   Oct 20 2011, 07:56 PM
underthetire   Just a question, cant you get a abs unit from the ...   Oct 20 2011, 08:02 PM
Series9   Just a question, cant you get a abs unit from the...   Oct 20 2011, 08:19 PM
bigkensteele   I would advise her to have a lawyer send a letter ...   Oct 20 2011, 08:10 PM
Elliot Cannon   I would advise her to have a lawyer send a letter...   Oct 20 2011, 08:33 PM
bigkensteele   I would advise her to have a lawyer send a letter...   Oct 20 2011, 08:41 PM
Series9   These are all good perspectives, but have you ever...   Oct 20 2011, 08:45 PM
bigkensteele   They are going to say "We can fix that for ...   Oct 20 2011, 09:00 PM
Series9   They are going to say "We can fix that for ...   Oct 20 2011, 09:15 PM
bigkensteele   [quote name='bigkensteele' post='1558397' date='O...   Oct 20 2011, 09:31 PM
URY914   Direct her to the 914World.com used car classifeds...   Oct 20 2011, 08:47 PM
Series9   Direct her to the 914World.com used car classifed...   Oct 20 2011, 08:52 PM
Woody   Are you sure the pedal is going to the floor or is...   Oct 20 2011, 08:54 PM
Series9   Are you sure the pedal is going to the floor or i...   Oct 20 2011, 09:01 PM
r_towle   Big reds, lose the abs   Oct 20 2011, 09:22 PM
edwin   Sounds to me that if the last time she had a failu...   Oct 20 2011, 09:29 PM
Series9   Sounds to me that if the last time she had a fail...   Oct 20 2011, 09:33 PM
GeorgeRud   It's problems like this that make me appreciat...   Oct 20 2011, 10:04 PM
patssle   It's problems like this that make me apprecia...   Oct 22 2011, 08:43 AM
r_towle   Ethically you should do what is right for the cust...   Oct 20 2011, 10:27 PM
rohar   Ethically you should do what is right for the cus...   Oct 20 2011, 11:06 PM
DBCooper   Ethically you should do what is right for the cus...   Oct 21 2011, 06:14 AM
monkeyboy   I don't think a waiver would do very well in c...   Oct 20 2011, 10:33 PM
bandjoey   Can u prove it's the ABS or could it B possibl...   Oct 20 2011, 10:34 PM
rick 918-S   Don't do it even if she signs a release. The p...   Oct 20 2011, 10:45 PM
Dave_Darling   I'd be worried that the design of the braking ...   Oct 21 2011, 12:06 AM
Mikey914   Sounds like a sensor issue. It would not thow a co...   Oct 21 2011, 12:27 AM
Van914   If you look you will find problems reported just l...   Oct 21 2011, 02:44 AM
mepstein   Maybe the answer is to sell the car to a track guy...   Oct 21 2011, 03:59 AM
MoveQik   I dunno Joe....if it were me, I would fix it right...   Oct 21 2011, 06:56 AM
BajaXJ92   I dunno Joe....if it were me, I would fix it righ...   Oct 21 2011, 07:03 AM
tomeric914   My ex had the same issue with her non-ABS 1989 Dod...   Oct 21 2011, 07:02 AM
Richard Casto   Someone may have mentioned this, but you may bypas...   Oct 21 2011, 07:09 AM
SLITS   Before you disable the ABS System, spend time on t...   Oct 21 2011, 07:15 AM
Series9   While you are a raving asshole... :wooh...   Oct 22 2011, 08:52 AM
majkos   I've been promoted from Major to Raving!...   Oct 22 2011, 11:09 AM
carr914   Ethically . Legally Rich As a parallel BMW m...   Oct 21 2011, 07:25 AM
sean_v8_914   I love my shop. i enjoy helping my customers to en...   Oct 21 2011, 08:01 AM
sean_v8_914   PS. I have declined to repair several cars. I have...   Oct 21 2011, 08:03 AM
Spoke   In PA, a vehicle is not required to have ABS to pa...   Oct 21 2011, 08:22 AM
Dave_Darling   I don't see how disabling or not repairing AB...   Oct 21 2011, 05:51 PM
mepstein   All this just begs the question....Is she hot?   Oct 21 2011, 07:14 PM
bigkensteele   All this just begs the question....Is she hot? G...   Oct 21 2011, 11:26 PM
carr914   All this just begs the question....Is she hot? ...   Oct 21 2011, 07:23 PM
Series9   All this just begs the question....Is she hot? ...   Oct 22 2011, 08:32 AM
kg6dxn   I had an RV with a brake problem. If you turned th...   Oct 22 2011, 10:44 AM
sean_v8_914   i was told im not nice. is that like a private?   Oct 22 2011, 09:41 PM
SLITS   i was told im not nice. is that like a private? ...   Oct 25 2011, 07:51 PM
Woody   I have my doubts that its the abs unit. I would be...   Oct 25 2011, 06:50 PM
9146986   You want advice? Walk away. No good deed goes un...   Oct 25 2011, 08:29 PM
mark21742   Funny thing is after reading ghost the other day I...   Oct 26 2011, 05:04 AM


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