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> Brakes / Spring Rates - Brad? Racers?
Evill Ed
post Apr 30 2003, 08:24 PM
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Hey, I just finished installing BMW 320i calipers on the rear of the 914. I added a Tilton proportioning valve too. In the front, I have vented 911 rotors with M style calipers. They are actually BMW units, not 320i, for a 5 series with vented rotors. The Pistons are a little larger than M pistons.

Anyway here is the deal. My front brakes lock up way before the rears. When braking moderately, with the propotioning valve set in position 5 (of 7) the car pulls down tightly and evenly. If I brake hard, the car starts to slow evenly, but then the fronts lock and skid. If I go to max position on the proportioning valve, when I brake heavy at higher speed, the rear gets light and the nose starts to turn to the right. then the fronts lock.

The right front locks faster than the left. The fronts have always locked like this. I figured the stock rear 914 calipers were too small and kinda beat, even with rebuilds, so I went for the 320i's.

The 911 19mm master is new, the brake lines are new rubber, all calipers are rebuilt and perfect, and the system is bled well.

I'm begining to think this may be related to weight transfer from front to rear.

The front is 21mm torsion bars with a 19mm Weltmeister sway bar with Weltmeister soft bushings.

The rear is 140# Weltmeister springs. Front and rear struts are Bilstein.

Should I go to 165 or 180# rear springs?

Am I on the right path?

I appreciate any input.

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Ed
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Evill Ed   Brakes / Spring Rates - Brad? Racers?   Apr 30 2003, 08:24 PM
ChrisReale   I think 21mm bars equal roughly 175 lbs in spring ...   Apr 30 2003, 08:34 PM
Evill Ed   Thanks Chris. I have a 22mm sway bar too. I had ch...   Apr 30 2003, 08:40 PM
drew365   The fact that your right front locks and pulls see...   Apr 30 2003, 09:26 PM
Brad Roberts   Ed.. I'm still taking all this in. Weight tra...   Apr 30 2003, 09:33 PM
ChrisReale   Yea, I was thinking that you have a pretty wickid ...   Apr 30 2003, 09:35 PM
Brad Roberts   The rubber ones work fine... but they can rip on t...   Apr 30 2003, 09:40 PM
ChrisReale   Exactly, they work fine, but they can rip...   Apr 30 2003, 09:42 PM
airsix   If your corner ballance is way off could it cause ...   Apr 30 2003, 10:01 PM
Brad Roberts   He could have it off (balance) but it would be obv...   Apr 30 2003, 10:11 PM
john rogers   If the calipers are rebuilt units I would suspect ...   Apr 30 2003, 10:17 PM
Qarl   Chris... interesting info about matching the sprin...   Apr 30 2003, 10:18 PM
campbellcj   There was a recent thread here about t-bar & coil ...   Apr 30 2003, 11:08 PM
tesserra   Ed you are making me nervous. I am about to instal...   Apr 30 2003, 11:18 PM
Brad Roberts   I'm from the big bar softer spring school as o...   Apr 30 2003, 11:39 PM
Evill Ed   Thanks for all the quick replies. The rubber brak...   May 1 2003, 06:17 AM
Don Wohlfarth   Ed, sounds like you have 5 series calipers on the ...   May 1 2003, 06:52 AM
morgan   This sounds like the same as my SCCA it racecar. I...   May 1 2003, 06:55 AM
john rogers   tesserra, I am using 320i calipers at all 4 corner...   May 1 2003, 07:45 AM
kdfoust   I dunno about the F vs R lock up issue. I was exp...   May 1 2003, 07:47 AM
Evill Ed     May 1 2003, 08:01 AM
john rogers   Ed, a residual valve maintains a small amount of p...   May 1 2003, 08:23 AM
ChrisReale   Kellezy, Here is the thread about the trosion bars...   May 1 2003, 09:54 AM
Brad Roberts   Ed, How much negative camber is in the right fron...   May 1 2003, 11:40 AM
airsix   Ed, thanks for the turbo info. Back to your brake...   May 1 2003, 12:11 PM
Jeroen   I don't understand why you are concerned about...   May 1 2003, 12:12 PM
Evill Ed     May 1 2003, 01:29 PM
Evill Ed   Duh!!!! I just remembered that bef...   May 1 2003, 01:53 PM
Evill Ed   Okay, found the problem, fixed it, learned a few t...   May 1 2003, 08:09 PM


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