Factory Radios - Fact or Fiction?, Was a topic about radio face plates, buuut.... Options

[SirAndy]

check all the marketing brochures and magazine ads there are lots of cars showing the antenna

A lot of the marketing cars were "dressed up" for the photo shoot. And there's just as many without antenna. So, what does that prove then?


Somebody must have drilled that hole for the antenna into that nice, fresh paint at some point. None of the assembly line pictures i have shows an antenna hole.

If that was in fact a factory job, then why do all antenna holes look like they've been cut by hand with a hacksaw?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

PS: Here's a "marketing" display. Note the lack of an antenna.

[Gustl]

Andy, I can't play this game for a longer time, because I have to go to sleep (remember the time gap)
but here's some additional stuff ...

[Gustl]

A lot of the marketing cars were "dressed up" for the photo shoot. And there's just as many without antenna. So, what does that prove then?

a lot means not all - and where's your prove that all the antennas in the brochures and ads are just "dressed up"

[Gustl]

PS: Here's a "marketing" display. Note the lack of an antenna.

and what does this photo prove ??

just that this one 914-6 didn't have an antenna ...

[SirAndy]

and what does this photo prove ??
just that this one 914-6 didn't have an antenna ...

Yes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Gustl]

here are some photos from the Karman factory - note the antennas

[Lavanaut]

If that was in fact a factory job, then why do all antenna holes look like they've been cut by hand with a hacksaw?

Back to this again? Man I'll start a different thread about face plates, this has too much momentum to try to stop at this point!

Don't forget Andy, your point is that no cars left the factory with a stereo. You haven't presented any evidence to support that claim - showing two cars w/o antennaes only supports that some cars left the factory without antennaes.

Nobody is disputing that.

Wolfgang (and myself to a far lesser extent) have provided plenty of evidence to support the notion that some cars did leave the factory with radios. None of us were there as eyewitnesses - all we can do is draw conclusions from what documented evidence exists. Scientific method and all that.

Lend credibility to your argument by showing us something that suggests what you're saying is true, otherwise it's your argument that's "gossip" (to use your term).

And hey, no personal attacks...totally unnecessary. I consider myself a student of 914s - I have zero interest in being "right", I just want to learn what is. If what you're saying is true and you can prove it, I will be grateful for the information.

Reid

[Gustl]

at the 1973 Paris Motor Show



at the 1974 Paris Motor Show

[SirAndy]

Thanks for those pics, all of which go nicely with what i said earlier.
"Dressed up" for the photo shoot.

Of course you'd want to show all the options in a staged marketing brochure or a auto show.
Just look at all those pretty paint jobs!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy

[carr914]

Rear windows were never tinted! Heated or unheated.

Then I must have the only one in existence

T.C.

not really - a friend of mine has one on the shelf
I was always wondering about this one - tinted and heated - and everyone knew that it shouldn't exist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

so - it's good to know that you also have one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Man, I was about to start the bidding for mine at $50k.

No Offense Andy, but your argument about the radios is off track. You've been presented evidence, but you won't concede. You don't present any evidence to your side, but refuse to give in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) . Next time I'm in Orlando I will take a picture of my antenna hole for you. I will even take a picture of my other 914-6 that has an antenna in the right location ( doesn't look like a hack job), but I don't have a COA on that car yet. Not that it matters as it will be a Marathon Re-Creation car.

T.C.

[rwjames]

My 1973 914 2.0 has a Sapphire radio with black basketweave plastic faceplate. The COA does not list a radio on the option list. In my opinion, it was dealer installed.

My 1970 914-6 has a Blaupunkt Frankfurt radio with vinyl wrapped steel faceplate. The original window sticker and 15 year old COA both show the Frankfurt radio under optional equipment.

[SirAndy]

My 1970 914-6 has a Blaupunkt Frankfurt radio with vinyl wrapped steel faceplate. The original window sticker and 15 year old COA both show the Frankfurt radio under optional equipment.

Do i see a pattern here? Anyone out there with a /4 COA that lists a radio?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[JeffBowlsby]

Here is some more info:

Wolfgang sent me several Euro price lists awhile ago. In order below, they are from 1971, 1973, 1974 & 1975. They all list radios as factory options, M-code items for both the 914/4 and 914/6. These lists are sales literature for Euro 914s only. Notice that the 914/6 had both Euro-version and USA-version radios available.

Similar factory price lists for USA-market 914s are not available, that would clarify how USA 914s were treated.

Is it possible that Euro 914/4s and 914/6s had factory-installed radios? There is alot of documentation showing that USA-market 914/6 radios were factory-equipment.

Could it be a Stuttgart vs. Osnabruck thing?...Porsche provided radios from the factory (for both the USA and Euro market 914/6s) and Karmann only put radios in the Euro 914/4. Karmanns purpose was to bring the 914 to market at a lower price, and not including the the radios for USA market cars would achieve that. Besides most Americans would want to change the radio anyway.

I checked all my 914/4 and 914/6 windshield stickers and COAs. Several of the 914/6 have radios listed, none of the 914/4 paperwork that looks legitimate have the radio.

[Gustl]

Andy,

you deny everything and can't provide anything

your comments are ridiculous and almost embarrassing

this is a waste of time

I absolutely regret that I jumped on this train - but this is my station
I'm out

[Jasfsmith]

Just show me one ...

If that's enough for you to draw your conclusions from Andy, right on. Me, I'm inclined to believe the other empirical evidence to the contrary that we've seen here. Let's agree to let the other rational folks out there do the same. Thanks for your input though, I'll definitely pay closer attention to the antennae hole in the future!

Back to this radio plate question. Hopefully there will be some examples posted for reference.

Plastic? Vinyl on steel? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Here is a photo of my radio in my Euro 6. The trim is metal. Arrived with radio. As far as I can tell it came with the car originally.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

option codes for 914-6 factory installed radios (and the vast majority of U.S. dealers ordered the 914s without a radio) are as follows

452 Radio Blaupunkt Frankfurt l m k u
453 Radio Blaupunkt Frankfurt US Band m u
454 Radio Blaupunkt Koln Automatik l m k u

these radios included the antenna loudspeaker kit.
the code for the loud speaker alone is 440
the four cylinder radio codes were as follows
095 Radio Blaupunkt Wolfsburg mw lw
097 Radio Blaupunkt Emden MW LW UKW

these of course are only for the 70 - 72 cars as the factory document I have was printed 9/1/71

Edit: This thread started out with my question below but quickly changed to a debate about whether or not any 914s ever came from the factory with radios. Lots of cool pics at least! But since I have a vested interest in my original question I'm going to take it elsewhere and let this thread continue down the path of the "radios debate". Even gave it a new title to draw more members with interest in that topic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Ok so this post probably belongs in the originality forum but I need to figure this out asap and answers come slooooooow over there...so, sorry Pat.

My /6 came from the factory with a Frankfurt. The radio that's in there now (Sapphire, see below), while period correct, doesn't match the COA so I'm going to replace it while I tackle the dash replacement. The plate around the Sapphire is a plastic, attached piece and after doing some searching here and elsewhere I'm pretty sure it's actually part of the stereo and not part of the car.

So my question is ~ what's gonna be correct? Judging from pics I've dug up and and based on my '74, I'm guessing it's just that little metal plate/surround piece covered in basketweave material. Can anyone here speak to this?

thanks!

Reid

(sorry for blurry pic)