 Kiesel Turbo Sprite., It rapes... literally. |
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| mskala |
 Apr 2 2010, 07:46 PM
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Slightly off the topic, but the video is using the Chase acceleration
overlay but it is clearly not aligned with the car at all! or you'd be better able to tell what kind of grip he gets. (Also the overlay is poor compared to my design but I wasn't allowed to sell it to him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Randal |
Apr 2 2010, 11:30 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
QUOTE(mskala @ Apr 2 2010, 06:46 PM)  Slightly off the topic, but the video is using the Chase acceleration overlay but it is clearly not aligned with the car at all! or you'd be better able to tell what kind of grip he gets. (Also the overlay is poor compared to my design but I wasn't allowed to sell it to him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Your design? Tell me more. |
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| grantsfo |
Apr 2 2010, 11:53 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
We are going to have several data aquistion boxes floating around. My car may get one. It would be cool to get one on his car to see what his car does.
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| sean_v8_914 |
Apr 3 2010, 10:59 AM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
we ran the 10jereen against him at teh Q last month. acceleration is brutal. no gear changes. 10k, no problem. beat us by 6 sec, ouch. damn thing jumps to light speed every time he squirts it. works for/ with goodyear. I was told 450hp by someone in his trailer. calling that a Sprite is like calling Mistaks GT-1 car a 914
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| mskala |
Apr 3 2010, 03:35 PM
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This is a sample. I have different configurations with x/y/z
acceleration up to 9G and 5Hz GPS for Speed, Altitude, Latitude/Longitude, and date and UTC time display. Also up to 4 cameras in various configurations. I just don't have all the pieces or I could loan you a setup for the heck of it. Attached image(s) 
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| ghuff |
Apr 10 2010, 01:19 PM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
So who is going to do it? I have too many projects already and want to keep the 914 I have now aircooled and clean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koE5er4FB8k Look at that, and it is a plain old 13b. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KjtWU1TBfk&NR=1 |
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| J P Stein |
Apr 10 2010, 02:40 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(grantsfo @ Apr 2 2010, 02:32 PM) Yep I agree. Far better suspension on that car than most 914 we have seen at autocross events. Kiesel just knows how to drive to get fastest times. His style is focused on getting power down. Uh, you mean like the live axle in back? |
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| ghuff |
Apr 14 2010, 02:40 PM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Apr 10 2010, 12:40 PM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Apr 2 2010, 02:32 PM) Yep I agree. Far better suspension on that car than most 914 we have seen at autocross events. Kiesel just knows how to drive to get fastest times. His style is focused on getting power down. Uh, you mean like the live axle in back? Are we sure it is still live axle? It looks like it does well for an ox cart. |
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| J P Stein |
Apr 14 2010, 05:11 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(ghuff @ Apr 14 2010, 01:40 PM) QUOTE(J P Stein @ Apr 10 2010, 12:40 PM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Apr 2 2010, 02:32 PM) Yep I agree. Far better suspension on that car than most 914 we have seen at autocross events. Kiesel just knows how to drive to get fastest times. His style is focused on getting power down. Uh, you mean like the live axle in back? Are we sure it is still live axle? It looks like it does well for an ox cart. Brit lkooked at it & said it's narrowed up like a AA fueler's. |
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| brilliantrot |
Apr 14 2010, 07:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Costa Mesa Ca. Member No.: 7,699 |
The entire car is super narrow. It is only ~5' wide.
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| McMark |
Apr 15 2010, 09:58 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,180 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
That's one crazy car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I would love to see build pictures.
Oh, and if you are interested, here's what literally literally means. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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| ghuff |
Apr 15 2010, 10:23 AM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(McMark @ Apr 15 2010, 07:58 AM) That's one crazy car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I would love to see build pictures. Oh, and if you are interested, here's what literally literally means. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) No. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) That is a judges hammer btw, this is the internet and I say so. Sorry, that is rape in autocross form. Quite aware of what each word means. |
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| ghuff |
Apr 15 2010, 03:52 PM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| fd_racer |
Nov 23 2010, 06:54 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 23-November 10 From: california Member No.: 12,417 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(jhadler @ Apr 2 2010, 12:04 PM) The Tunnell machine has absurd power (latest estimates I recall were in the neighborhood of 600+). So much so that the car spends very little time at WOT on a given run. Expect Bob to give him a run sooner or later. That car only gets faster as time goes on. He was the only one within spitting distance of the Kiesel car last year. -Josh2 Here are the results from Nationals this year...... http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/Results%20TeWw5.pdf And the PAXed results as well... http://sccaforums.com/forums/storage/16/43...X-RTP.Final.pdf |
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| sean_v8_914 |
Nov 27 2010, 01:17 PM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
ya'll need to see it live to really appreciate the rubber band launch that happens every time he squirts that thing.
I agree w Brit: he can be caught |
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| brilliantrot |
Nov 27 2010, 05:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Costa Mesa Ca. Member No.: 7,699 |
Ya Sean but that is true for anyone. Either out spend them or out drive them. There is probably somewhere around $150k and 5 years of development in that car though so it ain't going to be easy.
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| fd_racer |
Nov 28 2010, 08:43 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 23-November 10 From: california Member No.: 12,417 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(brilliantrot @ Nov 27 2010, 03:38 PM) Ya Sean but that is true for anyone. Either out spend them or out drive them. There is probably somewhere around $150k and 5 years of development in that car though so it ain't going to be easy. Try 60k total and this is the 4th year now.... Still more work to be done, car is still not finished.... Anyone can be caught, hopefully the off season will be good to us (with all the new changes)..... BTW I do all of my own design and fab work (all of it, except sheet metal)..... FYI this car has lateral grip too, it pulls peaks of 2.25 and sustained of 1.7-1.9 depending on conditions, that is through the Motec logger. Even the DM cars could not catch us (the DM cars are between 1280-1400 pounds with driver). The old videos I have online with the G data were before the car was as fast as it is now, I turned the G meter off so no one else can see our info....... Our car weighed in at 1827 with me at nationals and I had the boost set to make around 350 hp to the wheels (peak it will make around 380). I bought this car in 2006 and raced it pretty much the way it was when I bought it at the 2007 nationals (I only did eye candy, paint, bodywork, ect).. 2008 switched over to Goodyear Tires (best change I ever made) put in the aluminum turbo 2 rotor (100 pounds lighter than the 3 rotor), redesigned the front suspension, put penske shock on it, changed roll centers, race tranny and a bunch of small things (ended up with 45/55 weight) 2009 completely redesigned rear suspension and made the rear back 1/2 lift off carbon fiber, more tweeks to the suspension and small things here and there. 2010 new light weight carbon fiber front end (old fiberglass/bondo one was 23 pounds heavier) moved the motor back in the chassis 10" and over 2" (towards pass side) redesigned/relocated every single item (fuel tank, battery, oil tank, intercooler, radiator, oil cooler, ect) to get the balance perfect (41/59 F/R, 50/50 S/S). Did dif testing (had the dif in and out 10-15 times this year tuning it). A ton of chassis set up. This last off season motor/everything move lol took me 260 hours (I did all the mock ups, fab, install, everything just like normal).. 2011 I have a few off season projects lined up now and I think some time will be gained by the changes....... Kiesel |
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| jd74914 |
Nov 28 2010, 08:51 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,875 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Jeff,
Beautiful Sprite! Those are crazy lateral G's. For those of us on the right coast, do you have any pictures of the car? Jim |
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| fd_racer |
Nov 29 2010, 10:31 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 23-November 10 From: california Member No.: 12,417 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(jd74914 @ Nov 28 2010, 06:51 PM) Jeff, Beautiful Sprite! Those are crazy lateral G's. For those of us on the right coast, do you have any pictures of the car? Jim Thanks Jim, Yeah here are a few along with info on the build: http://7parts.com/jeffkiesel.html I have the motor out now (it let go, sucked somthing through it), I was planning on doing a walk around video of the car (once it is back together and I redesign the intercooler system)... Have any of you guys gone to a water to air I/C system? I am looking at the Lindsey racing one, anyone used it? This one: http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/INTERCOOLERTUBES.html Kiesel |
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| byndbad914 |
Nov 29 2010, 04:58 PM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None |
wow, that little "Sprite" (hey, I call my car a "914" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) is a pretty cool setup! 80" wheelbase (WB)... that thing must really rotate, great for AX for sure. Long WB stability is only necessary for high speeds, that short WB is awesome for the intended use. Somebody needs to shorten the WB up on a 914 then section it down the middle and narrow it up a bit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
Again, cool car. |
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