Ford 9" Transaxle, the lack of Options

[veekry9]

Yeah.
It really is the pursuit of a less expensive
way to get the power to the ground.
Laying the 9" and 930 R+P next to eachother
on the bench they look similar.
The availability of Ford parts at the recyclers
makes them the cheaper/pound.
That said,the problem begins as you attempt to apply
the 9" to a mid setup.
You have seen here the many inventive ways to do so.
The Italian way has been very effective.Simple really.
Get some sand,make a mould and pour the aluminum...
then machine it.
You can then call it a F,L,M,A-R,fiat etc.
It is no small undertaking of design and manufacture.
You would begin by mocking-up the actual parts in plywood
bulkheads to develop the layout.
A one-off prototype could be made economically to test
the viability of your design.
So as you approach the end of the exercise you may discover
it is an expensive one-off.However if your pal Al wanted one..

[DBCooper]

So you don't have an actual application? There's no 914 anywhere in the story? This is just a theoretical bull session?

[veekry9]

The application of course is the radical
modification of the next 914 to come my way.
This 72 is a cherry,so an unloved rustpile
will be the recipient of Frankenstein's Love.
Namely a Cayenne V8 mit kompressor to
thrash a Renn here or there.
I recently missed out on a 4.5L core for
1.9k.There is a plan in motion though
barely perceptible.


It may be travelling back in time

E/B 401 x 427 June
Kids in the car passing,pointing.
"Look Mommy,
that man is going to spend a fortune
on a emotional attachment to an old
Porsche 914"

[veekry9]

Hello all.
I recalled this guy whose work is really
interesting.From the Corvair world,his solution is elegant.
The last post of inquiry at Corvairforum was a week ago.

Has anyone here made a purchase of this modded Borg-Warner?

http://aboxer.tripod.com/

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Linn Richardson at (425) 485-9807.
Or send inquiries by e-mail to:
aboxer@juno.com

[ThePaintedMan]

So let me get this straight, you're going to cut and hack into a pretty good shell so you can make a drag car out of it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

I'm all for each person making their car their own, but I don't follow you on this one.

[veekry9]

So let me get this straight, you're going to cut and hack into a pretty good shell so you can make a drag car out of it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

I'm all for each person making their car their own, but I don't follow you on this one.

Negative PMan
That endeavour is far over the horizon,am currently restoring/converting
72 cherry to be DD.
The whole Rennmeister idea came to me when I first saw this.
Not to mention GT40 ambition since the 60's when I first saw them.
Along with Jag D-types,Lotus..ad infinitum.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deJab7Xo0T4


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vic

[veekry9]

Hello
Has anyone here attempted to adapt 944/951/968
transaxles into our types 914?
I've seen V8's in front of 901/914 with some measure
of success though I understand the boxes will snap
at any moment.Definitely the big 4's box can handle
the torque of a V8 with less stress.The attractive part
for me is the low cost involved.

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Granted,there appear to complications re the ipshafts height over the output
centreline(centerline).
A tx flop may lower the engine's crank where a large wheel and tire combo
could be used.
Anyone here ever try this Porsche part in a 914?

[scotty b]

First off there is no provision for a starter ........

[veekry9]

Hmmm
No starter?
Not an unsolvable problem as a hi-torque
starter is required.More work,yes,6 speed
possible.I'm buying or building an adapter
for the Yankee-6 anyway.I believe someone here
has slipped in a boxster6speed.I'll
look into the dimensions soon.
The price may be right after all.

[Mike Bellis]

The 944 transaxle is almost the same as the VW Fox. Same case/bell housing and setup for a clutch with a proper main shaft.

The Audi/VW tansaxle family has not changed much in shape over the last 20 years.

My Audi 5 speed and my Cayman S 6 speed have the same bell housing and bolt patterns. Almost the same as the old 944 tranny.

You should look in England (ebay UK) for a Passat TDI FWD transaxle. Same bell housing and better gearing for a V8. Since it comes from a diesel, it can handle some extra torque. The Passat TDI trannies run around $200-$500 in the UK. TNT will ship here in 4-5 days for $275. The best would be the 01E but that will set you back $2k and it is a euro only tranny.

5 speed left, 6 speed right



6 speed

[Dr Evil]

Man, I so want to mess with one of those, Mike. When I find the time and $$ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[veekry9]

This is great info.
Things I need to know before I
get around to making an adapter pattern.
Apparently the iron case of the 944/951
imparts a measure of strength and stability
to the geartrain.Just read a thread on gt40's
on this very subject.Audi is the easy way that
deprives the box of the malleable iron case.
This box won LeMan in it's class.A street car's
lighter loads makes the Audi box sensible.

[veekry9]

Allo.
After some searching about,I rediscovered
the thread about an LS/Audi conversion.
(LS1 Conversion, A Retrospective Build Thread)
By andys

Doh!Correction.
Different thd,different car.no find,more searching later.
by the way, andys,immaculate work.

And Lo and Behold,the Audi O1E also has the iron
gearcase,much like the 944/951/968.
Other than destructive testing,how could I determine
the load capacity of the respective boxes?
Of all the candidates,the Audi O1E appears the most
readily available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LMr3OBe2fc..._detailpage#t=5
Using a 944/951 TX behind a LS V8.

The Original GT40 used a Hewland or Colotti T37 TX
then later 7L's a custom KarKraft T44 as a small production.
The problem looking for a solution is the same as then,
in 64-65.

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech-engin...aft-t-44-a.html

The entire purpose is of course,not exploding your TX on the
application of full throttle or any random time.

http://www.rbttrans.com/about.html

For those who require V8 Torque capabilities.

[veekry9]

Years ago this fella needed a 5spd ford
toploader,so he built one,then 2...

http://www.libertysgears.com/

another success story.

[veekry9]

Allo.
After some searching about,I rediscovered
the thread about an LS/Audi conversion.
(LS1 Conversion, A Retrospective Build Thread)
By andys

Doh!Correction.
Different thd,different car.no find,more searching later.
by the way, andys,immaculate work.

And Lo and Behold,the Audi O1E also has the iron
gearcase,much like the 944/951/968.
Other than destructive testing,how could I determine
the load capacity of the respective boxes?
Of all the candidates,the Audi O1E appears the most
readily available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LMr3OBe2fc..._detailpage#t=5
Using a 944/951 TX behind a LS V8.

The Original GT40 used a Hewland or Colotti T37 TX
then later 7L's a custom KarKraft T44 as a small production.
The problem looking for a solution is the same as then,
in 64-65.

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech-engin...aft-t-44-a.html

The entire purpose is of course,not exploding your TX on the
application of full throttle or any random time.

http://www.rbttrans.com/about.html

For those who require V8 Torque capabilities.

Finally found the pix of the thd to which I was referring.





Thought about this mod some time ago,even took pix of it.
To,like,you know,modify.




I'm really liking this out of the box solution to the Need for"big fat tires
and everything".Looking at the front fenders you can see he's making room
there too.Somewhere on a drive I have the Gimped look I tried to make the
914 all growed up.You know,like,with round,sloped headlamps,ala 911/928/968.
I'll post it when I find it in the labrinth of the artdrive.Note:This is only for those
who suffer no queasyness when hacking into a 914's unibody when rusted.
Typically,both the front and rear get the "treatment"and effort is made to blend
the resultant discontinuity with the doors,because messing with the doors is taboo.
When the factory tacked the gt flares on,it was simply an effort to expedite the
tire installation for homogulation rules.A stylist/designer may have had a subtley
different take on it.A good example might be the Goodrich 924Turbo LeMan cars.
Coming soon.

By the way,How does this look to you all?



A few minutes work with the Gimp.

[veekry9]

Another

[SirAndy]

By the way,How does this look to you all?

Hate those mirrors, can't stand them ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

But i'm guessing you're talking about the dual fog lamps.
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PS: I really like what they did to the taillights on that widebutty.
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[veekry9]

By the way,How does this look to you all?

Hate those mirrors, can't stand them ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

But i'm guessing you're talking about the dual fog lamps.
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PS: I really like what they did to the taillights on that widebutty.
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Yeah
I won't be doing the massively intense widebody 914 on this trip.
I've kicked the idea around a little in GIMP and it kinda looks
like what the factory might have done if they decided to
install the round sloped headlamps ala 911.
I even tried the trioval shapes similar to Boxster/Cayman.
The job should/could be done by a panelbeater with skill.
The result would look as a 914/911 hybrid genetically.
Not the usual flares.And who can tell what a teener's visual acuity
would prefer?A deviation from bone stock is narp.

The larger(wider) grills purpose it to facilitate the placement of the
coolant/oil exchangers in front of the low pressure area of the
wheelwells.911 sop.If one was inclined to install a sohc/dohc
Porsche V8 why would the rad have to be centrally placed in the
trunk and take space?It's likely true the latest Panamera Ex has
a single rad up front but the 914 is a unique piece of engineering.
In that way you may say I am a purist at heart.



How does this cobra look face for the 914 work?



Edit:Jan 12 15
Seems to work on this Cobra,what does Shelby know.

[Mike Bellis]

From experience, your inlet need to be only half that size. I have just the bumper cut and I struggle to get the engine hot enough. Unless the water pump stops working.

It only becomes a low pressure area in the wheel wells when the outlet is larger than the inlet. Usually double the inlet size is a good place to start.

[Andyrew]

^This. When you have an inlet bigger than your outlet you get flow issues.