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| wndsnd |
 Mar 6 2014, 03:16 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat....  Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States   |
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Mar 6 2014, 11:22 AM)  (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/farm3.staticflickr.com-9714-1394122926.1.jpg) Ermm... I made money on my 6-conversion... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Did you run in across the border with some bricks stashed somewhere? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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| naro914 |
Mar 6 2014, 04:21 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Huey is a 3.2 stock.
Papa WAS a 3.4 twin plug...now a 3.0 twin plug with much higher compression, and 315 rwhp!! Bought Huey's 3.2 engine for $4k with harness, Motronic, etc....everything. Didn't expect it to last long, but it's been over 4 years and it starts up perfectly every time...we run autocrosses and hill climbs with it, so he's certainly not babied... Figure spend $350 plus welding labor for engine mount, $900+/- for 914/6 oil tank, engine tins ($500??), oil cooler up front ($500), oil lines (couple hundred with fittings) labor to figure out how to run the lines, labor to figure out how to wire the engine, etc. If you can do it all yourself, you're looking at MINIMUM $6k in parts, including the engine. Pay to have it done? yeah, probably $10k or so... But...I LOVE the 3.2 in Huey...strong, reliable, plenty of power, but not too much... and when/if we ever get Papa back together, he should really be a beast to drive... |
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| brant |
Mar 6 2014, 04:29 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,167 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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plus exhaust
plus muffler plus tachometer plus clutch plus flywheel if a carbed motor add cables and linkage and turnbuckle and running 3.2 motors aren't available at those prices really... I think add it up and its alot closer to 8K minimum for parts |
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| naro914 |
Mar 6 2014, 04:51 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(brant @ Mar 6 2014, 05:29 PM) plus exhaust plus muffler plus tachometer plus clutch plus flywheel if a carbed motor add cables and linkage and turnbuckle and running 3.2 motors aren't available at those prices really... I think add it up and its alot closer to 8K minimum for parts Yeah, you're right. I keep forgetting those things because we did a lot of that a looong, loong time ago.... I have bought 3 different 3.2 motors at between $4000 and $4500 (two others I bought for friends) They ARE out there if you're willing to wait. Some (most) need work, sometimes you get lucky. FYI, Huey has gone through the whole gamut: 2.0, 2.2, 2.5, 2.7, and 3.2...all were carbed except the 3.2. I prefer FI...much more user friendly for a driver... |
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| MoveQik |
Mar 6 2014, 05:24 PM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,667 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(brant @ Mar 6 2014, 03:29 PM) plus exhaust plus muffler plus tachometer plus clutch plus flywheel if a carbed motor add cables and linkage and turnbuckle and running 3.2 motors aren't available at those prices really... I think add it up and its alot closer to 8K minimum for parts Plus accelerator linkage Plus oil cooler mod Plus oil external cooler & fans if you run them Plus a lot of money in shipping all those parts you got great deals on I cringe every time I see the $4/$5k number thrown out there. Like anything...you can find someone that has done it but it certainly isn't the norm and I can almost assure you that corners were cut. Just my .02 :-) Oops! Edit - I do see the oil cooler was mentioned but I think $500 is a bit optimistic if you put it up front and have a shroud etc done right. |
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| Eric_Shea |
Mar 6 2014, 06:05 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,304 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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| mepstein |
Mar 6 2014, 09:13 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 20,587 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 6 2014, 07:05 PM) Yea, that looks like about a $4K conversion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| carr914 |
Mar 6 2014, 09:50 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 131,990 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(brant @ Mar 6 2014, 01:11 PM) nathan, currently its hard to find a clean running motor that is better than a core for reasonable prices... I think? you already have your motor bought at a good price it be harder to currently find a motor under budget... and over budget to rebuild one. I'm working on a 2.4E conversion right now with slightly higher compression I honestly think I will have well over 4K into the motor and another 5K into conversion parts... I don't want to disclose the outrageous amount of money that went into the 2.0 twin plug race motor (the head work alone was over 5K, and the total motor build cost was outrageous) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Engines have gone up! I used to buy what were then cores, but actually ran 6 Cylinder Motors for $500. I even found a Bunch of 911 Early Aluminum Cases (my 2.8 T-P is built off the Best One!) for $700 a piece. 3.0 & 3.2 are Great for a 914, but the days of finding someone pulling their good motor out of a Stock 85 to go race it a 3.6 and hand you off the 3.2 for $2000 are gone. Race Motors are Off the Charts. My 2.8 if done by the Shop would sell for $40,000+ The Carbs are $4,000, the Dizzy is $2500, 12 Wires $550, and we haven't touched the Huge Current Price for the Case, all the Crazy Machine Work, Factory 2.8 P&C (I think they were $8,000). The 2.5 is what I kept out of the White Race Car Deal I bought & Sold a few months ago. The Deal came from a Charity and the Car & Motor were from seperate Donors - Since they didn't have any connection, I had no problem selling the car without the motor. It's a 2.5 Twin-Plug Race Winning Motor in HSR, built by Franz Blam. It has 35 Race Hours and my Builder told me thats over-due for a Re-Freshening, which will amount to $11k after getting some PMOs & a Dizzy. |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 6 2014, 09:55 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,469 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(wndsnd @ Mar 5 2014, 06:38 PM) What was the deciding factor in your choice of engine The price was right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| MDG |
Mar 6 2014, 09:57 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,653 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Mar 6 2014, 10:13 PM) QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 6 2014, 07:05 PM) Yea, that looks like about a $4K conversion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Eric's is only a 3 cylinder. |
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| Eric_Shea |
Mar 6 2014, 10:04 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,304 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE Yea, that looks like about a $4K conversion Bitcoin |
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| mepstein |
Mar 6 2014, 10:06 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 20,587 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I was told to buy the motor last when doing a 6 conversion so you don't have an expensive lump of aluminum sitting in the garage for years. That was before 911 engines started going up. I have never been known to listen to reason but If I had waited, I would have never found a freshly rebuilt 3.2 with some nice upgrades for $4K.
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| JmuRiz |
Mar 7 2014, 08:48 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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mepstein: Deal of the year!!! If it really was rebuilt not long ago, that's getting if for core prices.
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| patssle |
Mar 7 2014, 03:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 28-August 09 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 10,741 Region Association: None |
Never pass on a deal. I bought a semi-project 911 with a working 3.0L motor for $6300. Drove it 150 miles home. Sold the car for $2500, kept the motor, sold the tranny for $1000, sold other random parts for another $500 or so.
Got an "expensive lump of aluminum sitting in the garage for years" for $2300! |
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| wndsnd |
Mar 7 2014, 03:45 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(wndsnd @ Mar 6 2014, 02:46 PM) My initial reaction to this thread is there are a lot more conversions out there than I thought. So to date we have 66 replies. Then I got a note from Richard Johnson that said he has helped in over 2000 conversions, and you know there are plenty that didn't use his products so there are a lot of conversions out there! John |
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| Mike D. |
Mar 8 2014, 02:33 AM
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OK, It runs now, and pretty good too! Group: Members Posts: 1,457 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Santa Clarita, Ca Member No.: 85 Region Association: None
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Mine is one of the mythical... I owned my 74 2.0 for probably 10 years. Then I found a work in progress car with a 2.0 6 and 5 lug conversion for sale for $5k. I swapped the engine and all related parts and the 5 lug stuff to my car and sold the other 914, running, for $2200. A couple of years later I found the 3.0 "built" 6 engine for $2k and sold the 2.0 6 for $3500.
Guess you could say "the price was right"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| wndsnd |
Mar 8 2014, 04:37 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 6 2014, 07:05 PM) I will add a category "Let's do the time warp again" for you Eric (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| ConeDodger |
Mar 8 2014, 04:41 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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I suppose we should count the TT/Trackday/Autocross car McMark and I are building... It will be a six...
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| 914Timo |
Mar 9 2014, 02:14 PM
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******* Group: Members Posts: 743 Joined: 13-January 03 From: Finland Member No.: 137 Region Association: Europe |
I have 3.0L. Did the conversion about 1999 or 2000. Engine was cheap. Now collecting parts for update/rebuild.
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| 3d914 |
Mar 9 2014, 04:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,275 Joined: 24-September 03 From: Benson, AZ Member No.: 1,191 Region Association: Southwest Region |
OK, so it looks like the big $$$ conversions go to the Porsche 6's. But there are alternatives out there if you want a custom 6. Subi has a couple of sixes (3.0 & 3.3), Ford has several, and the HP/Torque per $$ is impressive.
 After much research I went for the more radical 3.2L SHO V6. The motor is stock and rebuilt where needed, and I don't have $500 into it.
Its a beast - but should prove to be great fun. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1191-1388356682.jpg) |
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