Most hp and torque you can pull out of a 2.0?, And keep 87 octain and reliability... Options

[SirAndy]

Guys 110 is not the limit

no one said 110 is the limit, but on a stock 2.0, everything beyond 110 will cost real money ...

how much did it cost you to go from 2.0 to 2056?
gotta add that to the list as well. and i'm sure you didn't stop there ...

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[anthony]

Going to 96mm pistons and cylinders doesn't really cost any more than the 94mm variety. The biggest issue is switching from djet and a stock cam to a more potent cam and a different fuel injection system. My guess is that those two things and tuning would unlock another 15hp. Good head work also costs a small fortune.

[fiid]

Alright. What would I need for 110. I wanna be able to at least beat out the ricers ya know. I figure I'll spend more than 5k into it. Prettt much everything I get from now for 2 years goes into it. Plus I don't remember if I posted this in here but I will be able to work on my car in class. The shop has welding paint booth and plasma cutter! Also some other things.

914s (excluding 6s, v8s and other hybrids) aren't for beating out ricers in a straight line. Having said that, a 1.7 914 will beat out just about all ricers as soon as you take that freeway offramp (without braking from 80), or a twisty road.

I have passed (not very well driven) corvettes on the racetrack with my 1.7 engine. It's not quite as satisfying as the phenominal kick in the ass you get from a horsepower car, and every mistake costs you a lot more, but the handling really is pretty wicked. It's also easier (read: CHEAPER) to improve the handling of a 914 than it is to add horsepower.

Horsepower means a Raby engine (8k), a six (8k) or a hybrid. Sticking another engine in there varies in cost depending on how much "innovation" you want to do with your welder. Some people (Andyrew) have been able to do amazing things for frighteningly little cash. My conversion (subaru 4) will almost certainly cost less than a raby/six engine but not if I budget in my own time at my client billing rate.

The other problem with hybrids is that there aren't many people about that will want to race you (most bodies don't like hybrids, namely because you can kick their ass, and they don't like that very much. They don't like "those" kinds of cars. They try to keep things "all porsche", irrespective of the fact that the factory never put a 3.6 in a 914.

[SirAndy]

Going to 96mm pistons and cylinders doesn't really cost any more than the 94mm variety.

that's right but unless he's planning on a rebuild already any money thrown towards new pistons and cylinders is money out his pocket.

he has a 2.0 and he want's moah power. good. it's not relevant if 96 PC cost the same as 94's.
if he goes 96, he'll have to pay for it. i don't consider that a cheap upgrade ....

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[anthony]

It's not even a worthwhile upgrade to pull the engine apart just for that. It's more of a 'while you were there' upgrade.

[nebreitling]

When I get out to Cali and have my cert. for auto body I'll be clearing about 1900 a month so money won't be too much of an issue.

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sorry friend, but that's just too funny.... your career can, indeed, bring in some decent money at some point -- but don't underestimate the cost of living out here, even for a bachelor. want to live NOT in a ghetto? want to eat out every once in a while? want to go out a bit on the weekends? want a GF?

bam: that's 25k/year right there in LA/Bay area. now add car.

[seanery]

I have friends who spent 250-360k houses in neighborhoods that force them to put bars on their windows.

I'm really considering moving back to LA (work is hopping there again), but I can't see spending $500k for a similar house to the one I have here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

[ArtechnikA]

that's 25k/year right there in LA/Bay area. now add car.

and insurance ...

as we were packing to move out of Lake Tahoe, NV to move East we saw a story on a Bay area TV news broadcast - 1 (!) BR apartments in San Francisco renting for $2400/mo ...

there *are* places in California that are not (quite) as expensive to live, but in all, i keep being reminded of something i heard a long time ago -- "it's not what you make, it's what you keep ..."

there are downsides to every place to be (and upsides too...). just now, i'm renting a 3BR 2BA house with a 2-car garage on an acre for $1350/mo ...

[SirAndy]

just now, i'm renting a 3BR 2BA house with a 2-car garage on an acre for $1350/mo ...

outsch! that hurts! around here, that doesn't even buy you a closet ...

$2000 for 2200 sqf in a fairly nice converted warehouse, secure parking lot (but no roof) and NO lot what-so-ever. you have to walk 2 blocks to see some green ...

but, i can hear the bullets fly @ night, plus i have *free* cop-tv, just sit at the window on a sat. night and watch while i sip on a cuba-libre and smoke a cigar ...

gotta love west-oakland ...
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[lapuwali]

My wife lived in Oakland in a converted warehouse before we were married. She still refers to the place to this day as the crack mall.

Rents are a tad lower here now than they used to be. It's actually possible to rent a decent apt. on the Peninsula with covered parking for under $2000/mo. Buying a house, however, is even more expensive than it was a few years ago. Average in Santa Clara Co. is now over $450K, and it's about $500K in San Mateo Co. Even people with good jobs basically choose between a nice car and a house, and most houses are owned by couples with two good incomes.

However, if by "California" you mean to live in the Central Valley (Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield), housing is a good bit cheaper, but apt. rental is still pretty steep. If you mean SF or LA, however, $1900/mo will be hard to live on.

[anthony]

Just remember that when you get out to Cali that nobody out here actually calls the state Cali.

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[DerekKim]

Haha don't wanna scare me off. Thanks for correcting me on the cali term. I'm from Vegas originally(born and semi-raised). All of my family lives in the central(sac) area. My grand parents live up in forest hill. They bought their house a good 10 years ago and sold it to my aunt and uncle this last year. Uncle works in a lumber yard and so he is adding on a small apartment on the side of 2 bedrooms and 2 baths which will be odne in a few months(plus a studio where we can jam). I was expecting to pay 3-400 a month but my grandmother said she wouldn't charge me any more than she charged my other aunt and uncle to live there. So it's gonna be 200 a month and a bit of groceries here and there. Utilities included with the 200 a month. The isnurance is what got me. The plan to get a 924 or an MR2 was what I wanted to do. Friend said there was a loop hole with 924's cause they don't consider them sports cars? Then since the live a good 16 miles of twisty roads I'll have a good drive(but careful, It's a good 1k drop off in most places) to and from work though on the down side in the winter up there it gets pretty bad. So my plan is to park my 914 and either get a 99-01 Subaru or a small 4x4 diesel truck of some sort. The car will most likely be parked at my mother's house or if I can up in forest hill. It'll probably be parked till I get off my mission for my church from 19-21. My mother will drive it around for me once a week to keep the motor going.

[Jake Raby]

First off-

No one should be running 87 octane in their aircooled engines! The cars were designed to run off of atleast 89 octane LEADED FUEL!! The oxygenated fuels of today burn hotter to emit less pollution.

Secondly- My engines do not start at 8K. an 8K buck engine built on your core is atleast a very optioned 2270, or a 2316 making 185 ponies.. Most of them are closer to 6500-7K 100 % complete, dynoed and ready to drop in.

We are working VERY hard to make the new venture at our shop to allow customers to have the engine they need (not necessarily what they initially want) and to do so much easier and cheaper...

Next year our engine sales will go down and prices on those engines will go up as the engines themselves will become our hallmark..... Big things are on the horizon- stay tuned.

[DerekKim]

So you take my engine and beef it up or? This might be worth waiting a year and paying you.

[Andyrew]

Call him, Talk to him. He'll tell you how it goes and what you would want, and how much...

(dont know about right now though... lol)

[nebreitling]

This might be worth waiting a year and paying you.

yes. it would definitely be worth it.

[Jake Raby]

Yes, You send me YOUR engine and I use it for a foundation.

Next year we are going to try a different approach. One that will lessen our workload here and hopefully make it cheaper and easier to get something that you need, engineered to work and last.

I'm getting tired of 18-20 hour days and not being able to leave for a week without the world falling apart.

[DerekKim]

Alright Jake I'll contact you but not until I have the 914 in my posession. Do you also do 1.7 or 1.8 just in case I have to settle for a smaller engine? And running on 89 regulary with your built engine can I keep it on 89 or do I have to go higher? Also how the MPG on a built engine? I will be driving it to and from work 40 miles a day so it also must be reliable if possible.

[Jake Raby]

Read here:
http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/why.htm

That'll give you an idea of my approach to these engines. I am updating my site heavily right now but everything that is open to view is all new fresh stuff- read it.

The smallest engine I build is my version of a stock 2.0. If you have a 1.7-1.8 it cost the same for me to build those as a 2.0

If you want a stocker, you may be better to find a local to get you going. Then save your bucks till you know what you want THEN seek my services as they are centered around a more efficient modernization of these engines. Smaller engines have not been part of my R&D for a few years now.

I am in the midst of adding over 120 different engines to my site with a ratings system as well as projected performance, life MPG and etc. Look for it in a couple of weeks. If you choose one of my engines designed for fuel economy you could get up to 35-38+ MPG. Nothing we build gets less than 20 and thats a 200HP monster.

"Build for efficiency, and everyhing else will follow"

[DerekKim]

Ok so I tell ya what I want and you let me know how close you can get to it? These new engiens will be on a click list with specs eh? Would be good. Also the winter of 06 I have to garage the car for safety. If I can get it in for the winter and you all could have plenty of time would it be easier for your company?