Supersize Me, Just Saw the Movie Options

[Root_Werks]

Genetics doesn't have anything to do with it. My Dad, Mom and older brother are all overwieght as were thier parents. My younger brother and I do not subscribe to this, so we watch what we eat and stay active.

I think what most people miss the point on is when someone says "Be active" they don't mean work out at the gym once a week. That isn't going to do much. Being active means working every day, e-v-e-r-y day. Every night I will work on something when I get home. I will work up a sweat and work until my body hurts at least 6 days of the week probably 15 times a week.

Genetics or big boned is an excuse. Get up out of that chair man! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[eeyore]

Now that I'm done with my McSausage and OJ...

Come on just because something is legal doesn't always make it OK.

Exactly! People need to realize that they have their own responsibility to find out what is good for them and their children and exercise caution.

Whenever I see media coverage of these kinds of movies / documentaries I get the feeling that there IS some 'propagandist' trying to get the government to tell us or some company what to do. The there is an undercurrent that stirs up the sentiment that "Somebody needs to do something about this" (because legal = safe, therefore make unsafe things illegal). There is an air of victimization about the patrons of such establishments that they are being hoodwinked into buying terrible food for their kids. Whatever happened to 'caveat emptor'? One bite into a McNugget should tell you that whatever it is isn't naturally occurring and shouldn't be consumed more that once a week.

I'm just bitter because the Center for Science in the Public Interest helped force movie theaters to get rid of coconut oil from their popcorn. Gee whiz! It isn't like movie theater popcorn is a major staple of the daily American diet.

[J P Stein]

We're mammals.
Genetics has everything to do with it.
All of us are geneticly predisposed to pork out when food is available to keep us from starving when it isn't. It's only been the last 100 years or so (in this country) where food is available all the time.....an eyeblink in our evolution.

Couple that with inactivity.....we ain't chasing down critters all day so's we can pork out...we get fat.

Parents allow their kids to become porkchops like them unfortunates pictured, then look for someone else to blame.

[GaroldShaffer]

Genetics doesn't have anything to do with it

Genetics or big boned is an excuse

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I disagree, but to each their own. When I look at my cousins, mainly the men, you can very well see the ones who's genetics took after their father.

I think what most people miss the point on is when someone says "Be active" they don't mean work out at the gym once a week

That means different things to different people. I myself see no point in running 5 miles anywhere, and yes I ran cross country in school, very boring, to me anyway. I would rather stay active by doing other things. For me that is Karate twice a week plus other yard work and keeping up with our 3yr old son.

[Part Pricer]

OK. I’m going to come right out and say it. “Fat people piss me off!”

C’mon, show a little self-restraint. They’re only fat because they don’t close their mouths.

As a matter of fact, I’m offended by fat people. They have chosen their lifestyles and you and I end up paying for it. Overweight and, even worse, morbidly obese individuals are more prone to sickness. And, because of that, my insurance and medical payments are higher because these lard-asses put an unnecessary burden on the system.

I haven’t seen this movie, but I look forward to when I can. However, I did see “Team America: World Police” the other night. There weren’t any fat marionettes in that movie. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Root_Werks]

OK. I’m going to come right out and say it. “Fat people piss me off!”

C’mon, show a little self-restraint. They’re only fat because they don’t close their mouths.

As a matter of fact, I’m offended by fat people. They have chosen their lifestyles and you and I end up paying for it. Overweight and, even worse, morbidly obese individuals are more prone to sickness. And, because of that, my insurance and medical payments are higher because these lard-asses put an unnecessary burden on the system.

I haven’t seen this movie, but I look forward to when I can. However, I did see “Team America: World Police” the other night. There weren’t any fat marionettes in that movie. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I haven't been to the doctor in over 16 years. Yeah, yeah, I do go to the dentist twice a year for which my insurance picks up the $120 cleaning bill, but that is it. My mother (Love her dearly) has been into the hospital 4 times in the last 2 years. Geeeeze mom! Get outside a little and stop driving up medical premiums...... Pleeeease! People who don't care for themselves are just killing the medical industry which already sucks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This is a topic for which I have strong, strong opinions on. So if you don't wan't to debate, I wouldn't post here. I will defend my anti-fat attitude to my death. :finger2:

[BMartin914]

I would tend to agree with Root and Paul.

These discussions always remind me of a TV special I saw about that Subway guy Jared. That guy would eat like 2 egg mcfuffins, a WHOLE pizza, 2 burritos for a snack, and a couple big macs before bed. As soon as he starts to pay attention to what he is eating, he turns into a regular size person.

This example just shows how "fatness" is not (always) glangular or big bonedness, just a side effect of having little to no restraint or common sense.

[Jenny]

I can't believe our friendly admin McMark hasn't deleted this thread yet. You guys have no consideration for his feelings at all.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burger.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Jen

[Meredith]

There are other reasons for obesity besides lack of restraint, genetics being one. Yes, genetics does play a part, no matter how big or small it is. For those of you who exercise every day, congratulations. For those of you who don't, that's your choice. But I'm not going to sit here and rip on people just because their bodies and eating habits are different than mine. I think it's ignorant to lump people into a category based on one factor, i.e. obesity. To say that all overweight people have no restraint is an assumption that doesn't necessarily apply.

Now, I do get irritated when people who don't exercise or eat healthy foods complain about gaining weight, then do nothing to change their habits. That does bother me. But never to the point that I will say "fat people piss me off" or any other similar comments. To me, that's a matter of respect, and I will not make a generalized statement to degrade a group of people. That's Alfred's job.

Not trying to start a debate or anything, just stating my opinion.

Mer

[Mueller]

not to flame or pick on big people:

I have always wondered what strain over-weight people put on natural resources, it takes twice (or more) the clothing to cover them, more fuel costs to transport, puts more of a strain on the food chain, etc, etc.....has anyone seen any studies or reports on this subject??


I do know that I'd weigh much more than I do if I made or had more money.....I "love" to eat, just plain and simple........good food is a pleasure.......back when I was at a start-up company we spent money like it was water, we ate out every single day for lunch...never fast food, always a nice sit down place...we even have a few beers during lunch....when we worked 'till 2am, we order pizza and split a pie among just a few of us...boy, did I gain some pounds back then...when the money dried up, I lost weight and I am once again "normal" I guess......

When I go to a resturant now, I normally look for the cheapest or most cost effective meal....I'd love to be able to get dessert, but I have a hard time paying $4 for a slice of cake or pie.....now if I had money just flowing out of my pockets, that same piece of cake would be in front of me every time I went out....

[Root_Werks]

There are other reasons for obesity besides lack of restraint, genetics being one. Yes, genetics does play a part, no matter how big or small it is. For those of you who exercise every day, congratulations. For those of you who don't, that's your choice. But I'm not going to sit here and rip on people just because their bodies and eating habits are different than mine. I think it's ignorant to lump people into a category based on one factor, i.e. obesity. To say that all overweight people have no restraint is an assumption that doesn't necessarily apply.

Now, I do get irritated when people who don't exercise or eat healthy foods complain about gaining weight, then do nothing to change their habits. That does bother me. But never to the point that I will say "fat people piss me off" or any other similar comments. To me, that's a matter of respect, and I will not make a generalized statement to degrade a group of people. That's Alfred's job.

Not trying to start a debate or anything, just stating my opinion.

Mer

Mer makes a good point and I don't mean to upset anyone on the list for sure. I guess I should state that I work in "Office Space" and on my floor, I am the only person who is NOT overwieght. I AM the minority. That does upset me because I see the trends. Me - haven't used a sick day in years, I mean years and the people who sit around me calling in sick all the time. Watching my med prem's go up 25% each year for the last 4 years is also upsetting. I just wish America would wake up and take better care of itself. It is costing people money, lots of it. I am someone who helps drive the cost of medical care down. I pay into insurance that I have never used and probably won't use for another 25 years.

I do tend to "lump" overwieght people into a category. I am guilty of that for certain. But I certainly don't mean to slam anyone on this list. So I will make this my last post to it. Cheers, go drink a low carb beer will ya. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Part Pricer]

There are other reasons for obesity besides lack of restraint, genetics being one. Yes, genetics does play a part, no matter how big or small it is. For those of you who exercise every day, congratulations. For those of you who don't, that's your choice. But I'm not going to sit here and rip on people just because their bodies and eating habits are different than mine. I think it's ignorant to lump people into a category based on one factor, i.e. obesity. To say that all overweight people have no restraint is an assumption that doesn't necessarily apply.

Now, I do get irritated when people who don't exercise or eat healthy foods complain about gaining weight, then do nothing to change their habits. That does bother me. But never to the point that I will say "fat people piss me off" or any other similar comments. To me, that's a matter of respect, and I will not make a generalized statement to degrade a group of people. That's Alfred's job.

Not trying to start a debate or anything, just stating my opinion.

Mer

Mer,

You make some great points. And, I knew when I made my original post that I would ruffle some feathers because of my broad-brush statement. However, I believe that most of the overweight prople that you encounter on any given day need not be that way. They are the result of their chosen behavior.

The Surgeon General does say that genetics does contribute to some obesity. However, it is not the determinate cause on most cases. I hate to quote, but I'm going to do so anyway:

"Overweight and obesity result from an imbalance involving excessive calorie consumption and/or inadequate physical activity. Behavioral and environmental factors are large contributors to overweight and obesity and provide the greatest opportunity for actions and interventions designed for prevention and treatment." U.S. Surgeon General

You can't cure genes, but you can modify behavior.

[double-a]

i caught part of an interesting program about diet on the public channel this last weekend. among the amazing studies they cited, the most interesting thing to me was the bit about the o'odham tribe in arizona. apparently, they have a specialzed gene that allows them to "bulk up" quickly during times of rain and plenty, and gives them some mass to survive the times of drought. a bit like the desert plants actually.

what's tragic about the o'odham though is their rate of obesity and diabetes: 50% among their people, something like double the national average. why? because it's 'times of plenty' all the time for them now. luckily, some of their number are trying to get back to eating what their ancestors ate: beans, nuts and fruits from the desert. they profiled some of their desert foods and discovered some interesting characteristics in the food. some of their foods have complex sugars that are slow to break down, so they fill the eater up quickly, which prevents overeating.

our bodies were created to adjust to our environment. but for probably all of us here, we live in times of plenty all the time, and activity and smart eating habits are crucial to keeping us where we need to be physically. i quit soda 10 years ago during cross country, don't miss it. i can't eat fast food anymore, even the smell makes my stomach turn. after seeing that show, i'm all about fresh foods now, the studies they cited were simply amazing.

weight can be lost quickly, though: my wife just went from 185 to 135 in six months using a program called medifast. we're both trying to adjust our diets a bit, to be more healthy, though at 5' 11" and 140lbs, i could probably stand to gain a bit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

~a

[GaroldShaffer]

My last post on this, honest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

First Mer, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

I agree that you must have balance of diet & excerise to stay health. I don't think being as thin as a rail means your healthy. My best friend, in very fit shape, owns the karate school I go to. Runs, eats right, blah blah blah... yet he is on high blood pressure meds and has cholesterol
"issues". My 80 yr old, smoking, 400lb plus neighbor has never been in the hospital for anything, other than being
"fat" that is his only issue. Goes every year for his checkup and passes with flying colors.

so what does this prove???? nothing. everyone is different. Yes, to much junk food and no excerise will make you fat (my neighbor).

And one last thing, you really should see the doctor at least once a year just for a check up.

Cheese puffs and beer for everyone....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[MattR]

OK. I?m going to come right out and say it. ?Fat people piss me off!?

C?mon, show a little self-restraint. They?re only fat because they don?t close their mouths.

Thats absolute bullshit. I dont know how you sleep at night. Fat people are people too even if you're too stupid to realize that. God you piss me off. Lots of people in this world struggle every day with being fat because of assholes like you. Go to hell! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)

Im going to add on:
When you see a fat person you look at them and you think "they dont close their mouths... have some self control" like they're fat and stupid and dont care. Why is it different to look at a _____ (insert race/religion, etc) person and make fun of them for being who they are? I cant even type, Im steaming right now...

BTW: you're probably sitting behind your keyboard thinking you're talking to someone who is fat themselves, but I'd like to say for the record im 6'4" and ~200 lbs, but I dont weigh myself because it DOESNT MATTER!!! If you're happy with how you look, whether you are 100 lbs or 1000 lbs, its up to YOU, and jerk offs that make fun of fat people are the reason 14 yr old girls throw up their food and threaten their lives.

[eeyore]

I will not make a generalized statement to degrade a group of people.  That's Alfred's job.

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I do have to wonder about the lack of restraint by family members when situations like this arise...

Couch-bound woman's death raises questions
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/con...cbody_0818.html

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[vortrex]

I moved to philly (unhealthy) from san francisco (healthy) recently. the first thing I noticed here was A LOT of dunkin donuts. so one day I put in my address to the dunkin donuts store locator and found there were 45 within a 5 mile radius of my house!! now is that crazy or what??

[Part Pricer]

When you see a fat person you look at them and you think "they dont close their mouths... have some self control" like they're fat and stupid and dont care.

No. I actually look at them and say to myself, "Because that person cannot exercise some self control, I'm paying for it with overall higher healthcare costs." When people cost me money, that pisses me off.

[MattR]

So do you look at people like my brother who were born with $1 million dollar heart conditions and say "they would be better off dead because they cost too much"?

He was given a low chance of survival at birth and is now a perfectly healthy 14 year old. Oh no, Im so sorry human life costs money. We should all just die so your health insurance premiums will go down...

[Mueller]

So do you look at people like my brother who were born with $1 million dollar heart conditions and say "they would be better off dead because they cost too much"?

He was given a low chance of survival at birth and is now a perfectly healthy 14 year old. Oh no, Im so sorry human life costs money. We should all just die so your health insurance premiums will go down...

that is totally different.......I'd have to say the majority of over-weight people are so on thier own free will....I was a 7-11 not too long ago, this women (who was over-weight) was pissed off cause they "only" had the 44oz soda cup and nothing bigger, come on, why the hell does she need the 60oz size.....she does not "need" it, she wants it (to go with the potato chips in her other hand)