Wasnt this intended to be a 914 technical fourm?, Im seeing a disturbing trend. Options

[jmitro]

they don't bother me, but 914werke has a point.

what if every other post on this forum became an advertisement for a product from this vendor or that?

[Steve]

they don't bother me, but 914werke has a point.

what if every other post on this forum became an advertisement for a product from this vendor or that?

Already has... that’s why sticky’s at the top would be nice.

[porschetub]

they don't bother me, but 914werke has a point.

what if every other post on this forum became an advertisement for a product from this vendor or that?

You have to be kidding right ? we will be worse off without this happening,think about it.

[Coondog]

I would like members to use the Sandbox for non-tech threads they post in the Garage.

[wes]

Well with all the rain we may have a moat soon.

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Just as well get all the rain done before June!

[shoguneagle]

Does post have just sales offering?

Does the post create information exchange?

Does everyone participating gain knowledge?

Has anyone tried to make parts better which are getting hard to find?

Have members participated in exchange of information which provided vendors with the needed requirements to develop product?

Are there members requiring information on handling rust, replacing sheetmetal parts, welding, parts sourcing, parts exchange, Etc?

How do you think the threads got the informative information on the above subject matters?

Is there information regarding our vendors and others ever discussed in detail including their produces for sale?

How many people have received information with discussions with all members including our vendors which lead to a particular problem solution?

How do I know from experience who and what provided information in these threads?

Over the years members have had their differences which lead to our separation from 914club.com to 914world.com. The basis of some of the reasons why we split may lie in the reasoning that we have to have absolute correctness in every and all threads we write. Further, we cannot have absolute this or that; it must be based on reasonableness and how exchange information.

I have personally gained on exchanges in the Garage and did get information on parts, how to do things, etc. The Garage did provide me with members participating in my inquiry about parts to be replaced which I lost in a major theft in Barstow, CA.

One could make a point that I was requesting parts and should be in the vendor/used parts areas. But you cannot put in the vendor or the used parts sales category when my inquiry caused people to be aware of theft, parts stolen, offering free parts, available parts for sale, offer os assistance, and numerous other related services/information.

Years earlier we helped a member get a Volks Van with a wheel chair lift.
How do you codify this? Under a vendor or parts for sales thread?

I did loose considerable parts and was on the edge of not completing my conversion. Based on the inputs from our members which included selling of parts via the Garage thread I probably would not have gotten the car completely together and somewhat finished. It is painted, licensed, insured and running on the road. The information I got on how to things including sheetmetal parts, welding parts and techniques, and other major items came from the Garage. In sum, information either originating or developed in the Garage led me to buy from our vendors, reviewing via commentary via Garage, etc. In sum, everything is closely associated and cannot say absolutely where the dividing line between vendor sales and information exchange can be made. It is basically how the information exchange is developed and handled.

Sorry for the long winded verbal and wordy exchange but I maybe I have been around too long in 914world.com.

I try to maintain a low profile but when it comes to the 914world site and threads, information must be exchanged freely and maybe it should be listed under a different category instead of the Garage. Special offers to develop product requiring development, money expended, ideas, how many interested people, etc takes on a different and very important function. It does involve people interest, intent, development expenses, etc from our members to have a chance of bringing our needed parts and supplies to market for our use. it is hard to tell when it changes from a developed product to one ready for market.

[RickS]

No issue what so ever with vendors posting in Garage, saves jumping forums and makes searches easier. If vendors were trying to sell non-914 related stuff, then HELL YA I would have a problem.

[wndsrfr]

Whew! Well said everyone....the OP and the rest of us are all suffering from Cabin Fever & should be out wringing out the car......I love this Garage just as it is even when we get down into these weird introspective essays. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)

[thelogo]

This is how i feel about this place (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

I kinda take w little exception to the
We have bueatiful cars for sale in all types of condition . One
But thats because people who dont know this forum could get taken

https://youtu.be/jwlYo8EYTWI

[r_towle]

I am too lazy to look at all the forums.
It has not gotten out of hand yet, at least in my opinion.
If every other thread is a vendor, especially one who is not totally welcome, I have no doubt things will change.

[horizontally-opposed]

A lot of us do not go to the vendors section unless I am specifically looking for an item...

It takes prior information gleaned from discussions, what is going on, developments, etc.

^ This.

The member vendor section is great so that those products and services have a place to live, but the threads fall down the first page of that forum quickly, and then off of it. So I find I need a path to them or I won't go...

I am too lazy to look at all the forums.
It has not gotten out of hand yet, at least in my opinion.
If every other thread is a vendor, especially one who is not totally welcome, I have no doubt things will change.

And I agree with this, too. Especially that part in bold…

[JRust]

I have zero problem with the GB threads. It isn't like there is a new one everyday. I'd take 20 group buy adds over all the
"how much is my 914 worth"

"how wide a rim & tire can I fit on my car"

"Should I build a big type 4 motor"

While we are all here to learn from each other. It always amazes me how little it takes for posts to go off course. Let's keep them on topic & not let the fact you had a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) day. How about I take my frustration out on the board (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) .

Okay so back on point. This has been brought up before & answered multiple times. I want the GB threads in the garage as I don't go to the member vendor page unless I am strictly looking for a part. I like them where I will see them. Party on gents

[bigkensteele]

More & more I'm seeing the "Garage" being used to solicit sales for various of our member vendors instead of helping members fix problems, impart knowledge & generally discuss 914 related news experience ID parts & the like.
We have a section devoted for Member Vendors ~ don't we ?
I understand the occasional crossover where customers need help or provide a (unbiased) reviews but cant we keep the introductions / group buys ect contained to the forum section CREATED for that purpose?

Flame on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

I believe that the jury has announced its decision...

[toolguy]

If this was the Gong Show, George Barris would be ringing the big bell. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif)

[iankarr]

In general, we, as a community stand WAY more to gain than the vendors. Although there's a need and demand for parts, the market is relatively small. and the R&D rarely becomes profitable. I'm thankful vendors like 914rubber, Jeff Bowlsby, PMB and others are committed to keeping 914s on the road, and adding to the knowledge base of our community.

The GB messages never prevent anyone from getting answers to their questions. Usually in record time. If we had to wade through dozens of "ads" and they hindered the flow of information, maybe something would need to be "done." But the way I see it, the GBs perform a valuable platform for the exchange of information...and an economical way to improve our cars. Win-win.

[rmdinmd]

Another thought on this.

Unless I am wrong you CAN'T or aren't supposed to "comment" on someone's "for sale" post in the "for sale" forum and would imagine that rule applies to the vendor forum as well. While this is a "double edged" sword it would appear that it is useful in pointing out quality issues and it seems that possibly it is getting venders to improve their quality issues.

I also would imagine that if things started to really get out of hand the admins could and would start closing threads and giving time outs like what happens when threads start to get too political and heated.

[TheCabinetmaker]

they don't bother me, but 914werke has a point.

what if every other post on this forum became an advertisement for a product from this vendor or that?

Already has... that’s why sticky’s at the top would be nice.

I disagree. Don't want to see the first 2 pages nothing but stickies.

[76-914]

Let me see if I've got this right. 9-10 years ago everyone was screaming about the scarcity of parts and now that we have someone making those parts......................... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[ConeDodger]

Let me see if I've got this right. 9-10 years ago everyone was screaming about the scarcity of parts and now that we have someone making those parts......................... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Exactly Kent. I think some people weren’t around when we had four choices. Dumpster dive (they were still occasionally in the wrecking yards then), Porsche Parts Department (drove many of us to the PCA so we could get a discount) AA or Pelican which basically sold NOS Porsche parts that they had bought from Porsche with an agreed upon price they couldn’t go below.

What wasn’t available, wasn’t available and why are still standing in front of my counter boy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Then along came Engman (RIP), Rennshift, Elephant, CFR, Restoration Design, 914Rubber, McMark developing parts and turning them over to someone else for manufacturing and marketing, etc... now, instead of availability dictating the pace of restoration, it’s $.

[Ansbacher]

World War I, World War II, the Holocaust, Peace in the Middle East - If only the world's problems were as pressing and complicated as "Should GBs be included in the Garage". I think WE are spending way too much time on our computers and not in our own garages turning wrenches.

Ansbacher