2008 Cayenne GTS, Thinking about buying one ... Options

[Tom_T]

There was recently a Cayenne at my mechanic's shop. He said it had 150,000 miles and the guy was the original owner and wanted to keep it forever. He told the owner that after 100,000 miles to budget $5000 a year for maintenance. A friend was looking for one, didn't heed my advice, bought it for $10,000. He has put $5000 into it in the first year. They are maintenance hogs and parts aren't cheap. So know that the price you buy it for is more a down payment. Go into it with eyes wide open and you'll be fine.

That sounds on par from what Hans told me, & why I'm looking for one at 40-60K or under - in order to have a few years until 100K+.

BTW - 70-100K miles for any vehicle is when you start running into more replacements & maintenance costs historically.

My 85 BMW 325e E30 is just over 200K & the 88 VW Westy is approaching 240K - both have had engine & suspension rebuilds, the VW a blown engine in 99 at about 100K & top end in 2005 around 150K.

The Van has cost long term 4x to keep it up & running (excluding 2012-14 rolling resto), than the BMW - but then the Westy is worth $50-70K & the BMW just now gaining into the low teens! Go figure! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Small numbers of cult vehicle trumps the better built one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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Tom
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[Tom_T]

Porsche has a long history of selling whatever they had to reach profitability, remember the Porsche tractor? Or the Industrial engines that were used from everything from Swiss Ski Lifts to barges. Don't poo-poo Porsche for doing what it takes to make a profit.

And their ABX6 aviation engines - most notably used in the Porsche powered Mooney!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_PFM_3200

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooney_M20



Of course, the reverse would be to put a Cessna engine in a 914 or Cayenne - like in that old Bill Cosby comedy bit! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Tom
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[Gatornapper]

I've started looking at Caymans, too. Still learning about them but isn't anything earlier than 2009 subject to the dreaded IMS issue? I may not have that right but assuming I do, it's not something that can't be addressed, just something to consider, if it hasn't been done.

TGB -

Cayman driver for years, had an '08 base, now '11 S I've had for 6 years - plan to never sell it.

Yes, stick with Gen 2 - '09 or newer. As C&D wrote, Cayman is the closest thing to the perfect car in gen. mfg. - and "if everyone in the world had one - there would be world peace...."

I drive my S, have 79k miles on it - love every minute no matter where I'm going.

Hoping I enjoy the 914 so much I drive the Cayman a bit less........

GN

[MiniStevieG]

I own a 2006 Cayenne GTS and love it. Picked it up for 18k with roughly 90k on the odometer. It was a well kept single owner car with all records. I don’t drive it often because usually the wife drives it to work. Yeah it’s a bit of a chick car. It’s bone stock and quite fun to drive.

It’s funny when we’ve got a car full of kids and some loud mustang dude rolls up wanting to race. It happens often. I usually oblige and if I get the jump they get a good look at the tail lights (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). The handling is precise and all but again it’s an SUV and feels a bit heavy and high centered for my liking. I much prefer a car like my boxster s that makes me smile when I’m cornering or a 914 that just makes me smile all the time.

From a maintenance standpoint we’ve only had to do routine oil changes and swap out a few O2 sensors that have gone bad more often than I’d like. It does eat through tires too so keep that I’m mind. Just know that they’re not cheap to keep up and if you don’t accept that you won’t be happy with your purchase. You will have issues and need to budget for it. I expect that with my Porsches so it softens the blow when the unforeseen happens and I have to address an oil leak, or change a steering rack, or my recent IMS replacement and clutch replacement on the boxster.

Will I continue to pour money into my Porsche’s? Absolutely yes. I drive them all hard as hell and they love me for it.

We’ll likely keep the Cayenne GTS (Big Red) forever and drive the wheels off it.
Cheers!!

[Mueller]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2009-pors...-cayenne-gts-5/

6 speed Cayenne, not sure if I'd want one for my commute however it has to be a blast on the freeway on ramp rowing thru those gears.

[RickS]

Bought an 08 Cayenne S last year with 60,000 miles. So far so good, but man does she drink fuel. The most informative site I have found on all things Cayennes is Rennlist. Check out this thread, buyer beware or know what you could get into: https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-955-957...this-first.html


Really enjoy driving it.

[Rand]

How many know where the battery is? Oh and how much work it is to replace one when considering the everything you never assumed. It's every damned simple thing you want to do, but can't. And oy, the sensor that went out in the front signal bucket took out half your rear..... Oof.
Domino effect makes them a money pit failure to dust that will never revalue like other pcar models.
$pit

Good luck dumping more money annually into a pit that a boat owner recognizes: Best days: Day I got it. Day I got rid of it.

Buy it for the badge, or buy smarter.

If you haven't yet experienced the pain of paying more maintenance than it's worth, please make an exit plan before you quit saying how wonderful it is.

[Superhawk996]

What a show!

I'm loving this thread! SUV's are love/hate to start with. Put a Porsche badge on it - get ready for the fireworks!

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[Optimusglen]

How many know where the battery is? Oh and how much work it is to replace one when considering the everything you never assumed.

It's actually pretty straightforward...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csQICKy5OJQ
Cliffnotes:
-remove some trim around the drivers seat
-unbolt a bolt or two
-pivot entire seat back to access battery cover and battery

And I'm not sure what you're talking about with a sensor in your front signal bucket?

These certainly aren't on the level of maintenance that our 914's are, but coming from my last vehicle (1999 BMW 540 Sport wagon) maintenance isn't a deal breaker if you have even the basic level of internet search capability.

The 957's are much better in several small areas than the 955's. I mean, big ones too like the engines, but also things like headlight connectors etc.

[914_teener]

How many know where the battery is? Oh and how much work it is to replace one when considering the everything you never assumed. It's every damned simple thing you want to do, but can't. And oy, the sensor that went out in the front signal bucket took out half your rear..... Oof.
Domino effect makes them a money pit failure to dust that will never revalue like other pcar models.
$pit

Good luck dumping more money annually into a pit that a boat owner recognizes: Best days: Day I got it. Day I got rid of it.

Buy it for the badge, or buy smarter.

If you haven't yet experienced the pain of paying more maintenance than it's worth, please make an exit plan before you quit saying how wonderful it is.

Respectfully:

Let's take a look at the 914:

Battery exposed to the rain right above metal fuel lines.

Nylon fuel lines

Fuel pump next to the exhaust

Rube Goldberg e-brake system.

And of course the famous:

Windshield washer powered by the spare tire.

Porsche had the guts to made a mid engine production air cooled car. They sold a helluva lot of them and it saved their ass to do other things despite what people thought of them at the time.

If anybody else made them they would.ve got into the scrap heap along with the Yugo.

The Cayenne is not quite the same but close. Still a great SUV.

As far as the money. I've dumped more into my teener than I care to remember and when my M97 blows up I'll dump money into that because I enjoy driving it....especially the crap out of it.

Anyone else that thinks Porsche is too expensive to own shouldn't have one.

Just My .02

I say go for it Andy....just dive in.

[Rand]

Sorry if anyone missed the tongue in my cheek. My point was there are a plethora of little things that start going wrong and they all cost $$$
Just my experience. Please leave it as -$.02 if you don't want to hear it. You'll get it eventually.

I enjoy putting money into my 914. She always gives back. But dumping it into a bag of rocks (um, sorry, Porsche SUV) isn't rewarding. It's a pit that never gives back, even after it spanked 914s at an ax. Just not my bag. To each his own.

[Superhawk996]

Respectfully:

Let's take a look at the 914:

Battery exposed to the rain right above metal fuel lines. Agreed

Nylon fuel lines - Agree

Fuel pump next to the exhaust - Agree

Rube Goldberg e-brake system. -- What's so Rube Goldberg about it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

My Miata was very similar and just as notorious for having parking brake binding as I ever had with my 914. Either way, much preferred by me to damn drum in hat parking brakes that are so pervasive today that lock the rotors in place after the park brake machines a groove and/or creates a rust lip. Also remember 914 had rear discs in an era dominated by drum brakes!

[914_teener]

Different ideas Rand....that's all. It a part of discussion only. There is no correct answer.


Rube Goldberg:

Self Operating Napkin.






My opinion only...take it for what it's worth. I wasn't on the engineering team for that one but back then....it was better than any out there.

It would be electronic now.....and everybody would hate it cause it doesn't click and feel like it's working or engaged.

[Superhawk996]

It would be electronic now.....and everybody would hate it cause it doesn't click and feel like it's working or engaged.

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So true. So true. The worst ones are the electronic parking brakes that engage as part of the Auto Start/Stop systems to hold the vehicle at a stop when the engine shuts off.

They don't disengage the park brake until you get on the throttle and there is a noticeable but momentary glitch between when the engine starts delivering power and the stupid electronic e-brake actually releases.

And we call this progress? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) All thanks to CAFE mandates causing OEM's to pursue progressively more stupid Rube Goldberg solutions to meet CAFE mandates.

No worry Electric Vehicles to the rescue! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[Rand]

Why I love a forum. Different ideas. All contribute to learning. I'll always take it for what it's worth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

the interesting thing is, you don't even realize what genius you may be talking to.

respect

[914-300Hemi]

Pulled the trigger on a umber brown 2014 Cayenne GTS. It is a blast to drive.

[Jamie]

I've loved my 2013 Cayenne diesel from the start, that's why I bought it, to be my Porsche truck! It gets better fuel mileage than my Cayman, the thing is a beast pulling my 3 different trailers, and the "dieselgate" conversion was well handled. I sometimes drive it on PCA club outings and can hang with most Porsche drivers on the twisties when I press the "Sport" button! It had been a joy to drive in weather that would keep many other vehicles in the ditches, and has endeared itself as my daily driver. In 70K miles the only defect that required replacement was the second hand in the dash clock! I didn't load it up with fancy options, in fact the only option was a trailer hitch, so don't have all the extra electronics and fancy Porsche do-dads to maintain. I will regret the day that I might have to consider a replacement, but it will probably be the last vehicle I will ever buy at my age of 75! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

[jfort]

I am 0 for 2 with cylinder scoring on V8’s. Wouldn’t recommend to anyone. Love my V6 Cayenne.

[Unobtanium-inc]

There was recently a Cayenne at my mechanic's shop. He said it had 150,000 miles and the guy was the original owner and wanted to keep it forever. He told the owner that after 100,000 miles to budget $5000 a year for maintenance. A friend was looking for one, didn't heed my advice, bought it for $10,000. He has put $5000 into it in the first year. They are maintenance hogs and parts aren't cheap. So know that the price you buy it for is more a down payment. Go into it with eyes wide open and you'll be fine.

Postscript to my friend's Cayenne adventure. After the last major disaster, oil lines running oil into the O2 sensors and cats, he rigged it to keep driving, wouldn't pass inspection, so he recently traded it in on a Mini. It would have cost $2000-3000 to fix. He got $2500 in the trade.
So he spent $10,000, poured thousands into it to keep it running, GT3 brakes on the turbo and all that, and traded it 2 years later for $2500.
Don't buy a high miles Cayenne, just don't.

[914-300Hemi]

Driving the Cayenne GTS just puts a huge smile on my face. I understand the maintenance is high but smiles per mile is a worth it. My 75 911 is just as expensive to maintain but driving it is so much better than driving Honda.