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| 911GT2 |
May 12 2020, 12:53 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 2-March 11 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 12,773 Region Association: Europe
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| Superhawk996 |
May 12 2020, 01:07 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,767 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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I don't care what you do to a /6 conversion, it's not worth more than an original 914/6! |
| horizontally-opposed |
May 12 2020, 01:13 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,456 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None
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Now at $97,914 with nine bids and 32 minutes to go… I remember being amazed by the $57,000~ price for a six conversion on BaT, but this is a whole 'nuther league… It went up to $103,914 but reserver was not met... If the seller actually wanted to sell the car (which is unclear, and I am surprised BaT allowed a reserve higher than $103k on a six conversion), this was all the money imo. And then some. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
| Steve |
May 12 2020, 01:25 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,029 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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Now at $97,914 with nine bids and 32 minutes to go… I remember being amazed by the $57,000~ price for a six conversion on BaT, but this is a whole 'nuther league… It went up to $103,914 but reserver was not met... If the seller actually wanted to sell the car (which is unclear, and I am surprised BaT allowed a reserve higher than $103k on a six conversion), this was all the money imo. And then some. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Paul's amazing Excellence Project 3.6 didn't sell for nearly that and that was my favorite ultimate six conversion!! |
| billh1963 |
May 12 2020, 01:35 PM
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Car Hoarder! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,431 Joined: 28-March 11 From: North Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States |
Now at $97,914 with nine bids and 32 minutes to go… I remember being amazed by the $57,000~ price for a six conversion on BaT, but this is a whole 'nuther league… It went up to $103,914 but reserver was not met... If the seller actually wanted to sell the car (which is unclear, and I am surprised BaT allowed a reserve higher than $103k on a six conversion), this was all the money imo. And then some. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I agree. Awesome car, no doubt. But, what you have in a car does not reflect it’s market Value (although, I certainly wish it did)! |
| mepstein |
May 12 2020, 01:39 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20,587 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Now at $97,914 with nine bids and 32 minutes to go… I remember being amazed by the $57,000~ price for a six conversion on BaT, but this is a whole 'nuther league… It went up to $103,914 but reserver was not met... If the seller actually wanted to sell the car (which is unclear, and I am surprised BaT allowed a reserve higher than $103k on a six conversion), this was all the money imo. And then some. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Paul's amazing Excellence Project 3.6 didn't sell for nearly that and that was my favorite ultimate six conversion!! $60K and it was really nice. He did it for himself and had a lot of great details. I like the underdog builds and cars that do more with less. |
| horizontally-opposed |
May 12 2020, 01:50 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,456 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None
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Paul's amazing Excellence Project 3.6 didn't sell for nearly that and that was my favorite ultimate six conversion!! Just my opinion, but I think Paul's car was superior to this 914. There are other 914-6 hot rods and six conversions that went for less and were better, IMO. I can think of several. But that was at the time of those sales. What is interesting here is that it looks like more than one person was willing to pay $90-104k for a six conversion. The GTS Classics seats (had those, and don't see them as seats for a $100k car), the non-GT rockers, the flat pads at the tops of the doors, the B+B heat exchangers, the questions raised here about the rust-proofing (I'd want to know more), the Weltmeister ARB (hey, I've got one…but it is a cheap piece), the waves in the paint in one of the photos. All nit picks on what look like a very nice car, but a 473 car with a $100+K reserve on a public auction to maximize price opens itself up to the peanut gallery. I don't think an expectation of perfection (whatever that is) was the point here. Fun was, and the car looks like that and more. But "cost to build" for a hot rod rarely leads to price paid by someone else (unless that taste finds broad appeal). In this case, the auction was looking good to bring nearly 2x the highest price I've seen paid for a six conversion. I'd chalk that up to a) allure of big engine in small car, b) color, c) fabulous photos, d) that video, e) changing perceptions about the 914, and f) other influences. In this market, $104k sure seemed like all the money for a hot rod six conversion—and would have set a precedent (whether or not it set a trend). Yes, people will spend far more (and have) on their six conversion, but that's a very different thing to buying one already built. |
| rhodyguy |
May 12 2020, 02:00 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,252 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
I'm not so sure those B/Bs are even hooked up. Hard to be sure from the pictures. Either way, that's a lot of money to turn down.
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| Jay Wellwood |
May 12 2020, 02:43 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 22-January 16 From: Atlanta Member No.: 19,588 Region Association: South East States |
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| sreyemj |
May 12 2020, 02:48 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 89 Joined: 12-January 20 From: SA, TX Member No.: 23,821 Region Association: None |
Crazy, waste of time, hope BAT gets rid of these garbage "auctions". |
| ConeDodger |
May 12 2020, 02:55 PM
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Apex killer! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Paul's amazing Excellence Project 3.6 didn't sell for nearly that and that was my favorite ultimate six conversion!! Just my opinion, but I think Paul's car was superior to this 914. There are other 914-6 hot rods and six conversions that went for less and were better, IMO. I can think of several. But that was at the time of those sales. What is interesting here is that it looks like more than one person was willing to pay $90-104k for a six conversion. The GTS Classics seats (had those, and don't see them as seats for a $100k car), the non-GT rockers, the flat pads at the tops of the doors, the B+B heat exchangers, the questions raised here about the rust-proofing (I'd want to know more), the Weltmeister ARB (hey, I've got one…but it is a cheap piece), the waves in the paint in one of the photos. All nit picks on what look like a very nice car, but a 473 car with a $100+K reserve on a public auction to maximize price opens itself up to the peanut gallery. I don't think an expectation of perfection (whatever that is) was the point here. Fun was, and the car looks like that and more. But "cost to build" for a hot rod rarely leads to price paid by someone else (unless that taste finds broad appeal). In this case, the auction was looking good to bring nearly 2x the highest price I've seen paid for a six conversion. I'd chalk that up to a) allure of big engine in small car, b) color, c) fabulous photos, d) that video, e) changing perceptions about the 914, and f) other influences. In this market, $104k sure seemed like all the money for a hot rod six conversion—and would have set a precedent (whether or not it set a trend). Yes, people will spend far more (and have) on their six conversion, but that's a very different thing to buying one already built. Paul called me and told me the price he was willing to sell at and I was stunned. I guess it’s been a few years and there has been some upward price pressure. But, I told Paul it was worth at least $20K more to the right buyer. Paul is a guy who has been very careful with financial decisions and I think this is a number he had in his head that would work. I’m not surprised that this car went to $103,914. What does surprise me is that the seller was looking for even more. Makes me ponder selling mine though... |
| sithot |
May 12 2020, 03:10 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 25-October 06 From: Virginia Member No.: 7,090 Region Association: None
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All the money and then some.
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| thelogo |
May 12 2020, 03:15 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
Now at $97,914 with nine bids and 32 minutes to go… I remember being amazed by the $57,000~ price for a six conversion on BaT, but this is a whole 'nuther league… It went up to $103,914 but reserver was not met... If the seller actually wanted to sell the car (which is unclear, and I am surprised BaT allowed a reserve higher than $103k on a six conversion), this was all the money imo. And then some. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Paul's amazing Excellence Project 3.6 didn't sell for nearly that and that was my favorite ultimate six conversion!! Not seen pauls but my fav would be The screeming yellow zonker Wish i had bought that ....... Resevers not met at 103 k I bet the guy who made that bid is very happy He didnt get it . for 100k Go buy a 914 and 2 more cars |
| mb911 |
May 12 2020, 03:35 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,729 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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I believe it will be sold outside of the auction.. Some inside info if you will.
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| horizontally-opposed |
May 12 2020, 05:28 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,456 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None
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What does surprise me is that the seller was looking for even more. Makes me ponder selling mine though... If you enjoy your 914…don't do it Rob! Just my two cents, but I've been testing Porsches on road and track and the 914 is something special. Thought it was emotional/personal bias for a long time and wrote it off as such. I know better now. The 914 isn't the "right Porsche shape." It isn't pretty from all angles like a 911 or 356 (particularly if those are your thing). It isn't as fast as the modern stuff (though it isn't as far off as it should be over a good back road). And the 914 definitely isn't for everyone. But the driving experience (air cooled sounds, smells, and reflexes in a mid-engined package) stacks up well against, well, just about anything. And I really mean just about anything. The 914 has finally come—or is just coming—into its own. |
| davehg |
May 12 2020, 10:12 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 19-September 17 From: PNW Member No.: 21,443 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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In most cases, I would think this community is a good barometer of what a clean conversion is worth. We certainly know what it costs to build one correctly.
But ultimately, it’s worth what the last bid is, and in RNM, what a private sale brings. Lots of private sales take place above RNM. I guessed the high bid would hit over $130k, a restorer guessed $130k, and a dealer guessed it would hit $108k. Plenty for a conversion but still not crazy in the world of air cooled inflation. You show up at a party of of Singers and suddenly you are the cool kid in town. You show up to a track party of real GTs priced in the several hundred thousand dollars, and you are the guy who gets to drive around without sweating about stuffing a hi dollar collectible. You have a standing invite at Lufghelt in a sea of 911s. Suddenly, $103k isn’t such a shocker. It might even be a heck of deal. |
| Maltese Falcon |
May 12 2020, 11:14 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,209 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None |
You have a standing invite at Lufghelt in a sea of 911s. Suddenly, $103k isn’t such a shocker. It might even be a heck of deal. Love the wording there for Patrick & Howie's big Air Cooled show...almost sounds like Luft Geld = Air Money (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
| hydroliftin |
Sep 9 2022, 10:52 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 8-November 06 From: Vallejo, CA Member No.: 7,180 Region Association: Northern California |
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| eric9144 |
Sep 9 2022, 11:05 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,794 Joined: 30-March 11 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 12,876 Region Association: Southern California
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| Root_Werks |
Sep 9 2022, 11:26 AM
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Village Idiot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,930 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Stunning conversion to say the least.
Always get's me, top dollar cars that have the most notable little things not done. Would have thought the rear valance and side rocker covers would have been modified for the flares. Every single 914 person will point that out on your newly purchased $100k + 914. |
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