anyone want to comment on this BAT discussion? Options

[914werke]

Swapping out to carbs does not make the car worth half what it would otherwise command. All respect to others opinions.

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[BillJ]

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[FlacaProductions]

more serious problem solving gets done on this website which is fantastic in terms of getting to the bottom of things.

TRUTH!

[Lsr911]

My definition of "Minions". BAT members with thousands, some exceeding tens of thousands, of comments that have never bought or sold anything on the site. Disruptors who have found a place to boost their ego's. People with opinions and lacking any significant knowledge. Some make early low bids knowing they will never win the auction. That's just another ego boost for them. It's sad that these uninformed disrupting "Minions" can negatively affect the price of the cars we enjoy.

[GregAmy]

As big of an EFI* fan as I am, I am amused at how the "EFI vs Carbs" has become such a flashpoint within this community.

I'm not sure how we got here, but this isse is becoming personal, aligned with political and religious debates, where we take personal offense if someone disagrees with our position. I suggest we need to stop doing that.

Someone new comes into the community, someone that legit doesn't know, sure we can INFORM them that the stock EFI is most assuredly now well-known and -supported (unlike 25 years ago). The legacy knee-jerk reaction to carb conversion based on ignorance of the systems and lack of support no longer applies, and we should ensure new owners understand that.

But in the end, if they're informed of the options then it's their car, and their choice. If you take personal offense at them not following your advice, then the problem is not with them...

We have a lot of induction options now, and it's growing. Let's ensure everyone is aware of those options and let them make their own decisions.

GA

*Let's be fair: I do chuckle at our calling the L-Jet and D-Jet "EFI" and the boxes "computers". That is correct in the core sense of the words, but seriously...in today's context, I think my high school calculator had higher computing power than these 25 or so transistors flying in formation pretending to be anything more complex than a POTS mechanical switching labyrinth...

[r_towle]

It would be nice to see a list of all the parts/pieces in one place.
Pbanders site to links is no longer to valid suppliers of parts.

For Diet
MPS replacement (Bosch may be doing this now...they did for a bit)
TPS replacement
CHT
Injectors

make it easy and simple to buy a kit to redo and upgrade your FI components.

I just bought a gas tank, lines, bent lines etc from PP.
What they don't have is the fuel strainer, or the crush washers for those connections.

Seems simple, yet silly, to not have all the parts in one place/kit.
I found everything I need....but multiple vendors (which is dumb)

Injectors.
We need a new updated list of what to do...what to use, what replaces them etc etc.

I have a funny feeling that product support for carbs will start to fade in the next decade...so having Diet/Ljet replacement parts, instruction, help and support will enable people to keep things stock.

Struggling on the Volvo to find the temp sensor...its a unicorn.

[emerygt350]

Although there is "value" added by keeping the original system, I completely understand it will all be nla and unobtanium soon. However... Carbs vs efi isn't just stock efi. The real advantage of carbs has been cams with meaning. Modern efi bolt ons allow that as well. So I think the argument is more than just stock or carbs. Particularly with PMB etc getting in the game. Now cost and simplicity will normally point towards carbs but I would love me some real multiport non bank fire injection with a mass airflow sensor. Although I do have to say air-cooled engines from 50 years ago eat O2 sensors for breakfast.

[r_towle]

Although there is "value" added by keeping the original system, I completely understand it will all be nla and unobtanium soon. However... Carbs vs efi isn't just stock efi. The real advantage of carbs has been cams with meaning. Modern efi bolt ons allow that as well. So I think the argument is more than just stock or carbs. Particularly with PMB etc getting in the game. Now cost and simplicity will normally point towards carbs but I would love me some real multiport non bank fire injection with a mass airflow sensor. Although I do have to say air-cooled engines from 50 years ago eat O2 sensors for breakfast.

yah, im not in agreement just yet.

The TPS board...someone makes new ones
The MPS diaphragm (the actually thing that breaks) Foley makes them...others do in the Volvo world....Bosch/AA/possibly others rebuild them.

The aftermarket keeps these old cars alive.
Look at the humble beginnings of 914rubber....one seal.
Now they make all sorts of stuff.

Rich

[914]

Dr914,
Why would you Post this? It should be Only posted on BAT And I bet they would take down the Post on BAT. Is Bashing somebody's car your Business Model? Oh I forgot you know everything..
914/Alan

[mate914]

Where did he bash it? @914 /Alan?

Matt

Dr914,
Why would you Post this? It should be Only posted on BAT And I bet they would take down the Post on BAT. Is Bashing somebody's car your Business Model? Oh I forgot you know everything..
914/Alan

[914]

Matt,
I knew I would get backlash for my comment..
Why ask Our members to comment on this BAT discussion?
Maybe I am missing something? End of Discussion For me..
914/Alan




Mattquote name='mate914' date='Apr 21 2023, 12:23 PM' post='3072875']
Where did he bash it? @914 /Alan?

Matt


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Dr914,
Why would you Post this? It should be Only posted on BAT And I bet they would take down the Post on BAT. Is Bashing somebody's car your Business Model? Oh I forgot you know everything..
914/Alan
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[BillJ]

To be fair it is part of the auction model they employ and comments are an important part of the process. I personally take exception to when people overstate and provide conjecture instead of facts they can definitively prove. When i did my BAT auction some did that as well but i was certainly prepared for it and stuck to the facts. I think it is better than a no comment remote auction model.

It gets out of hand when people start picking on things and the seller either ignores or gets aggressive. That is the recipe for ugly.

[mepstein]

I’ve only purchased once on bat. I didn’t even read any of the comments before, during or after. I called Peter Dawe, asked his opinion and bid on the parts. I especially don’t understand the people who comment with no intention to buy but to each their own.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/996-gt3r-...rts-and-spares/

[Superhawk996]

To be fair it is part of the auction model they employ and comments are an important part of the process I personally take exception to when people overstate and provide conjecture instead of facts they can definitively prove.

I don’t comment on BAT but what drives me nuts all the 63k miles shown (pick your mileage) nonsense. These cars are now 50 years old. To believe that there are so many sub 100k rollovers is wishful thinking. I’m not saying there aren’t low mileage collector cars out there, but somehow there are more of them than there were in the late 80s & early 90s. I was just much more obvious to try to claim low miles when the car was 14 years old, had worn tires, had faded paint, and 20k miles on the odo.

When a seller or BAT agrees and/or encourages listings with “XX,000 miles shown” nonsense, that is fair game for the comments to begin. Just my opinion. As stated, if comments weren’t part of the entertainment, BAT would get a whole lot fewer eyes and clicks which you can be sure they are monetizing.

[windforfun]

Doesn't the Constitution guarantee free speech, even if it is total bullshit? At least with a car, it is more rationally focused & nobody really gets hurt, despite the claimed mileage. It's a form of modern horse trading.

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[Mike D.]

New 914 owner means a dozen of the same already answered questions on Facebook!
"what tire size you runnin'" - "What's this hose go to" - "what the best....yada yada yada"
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I do have one thing to add: while I prefer the FI, I have a couple 914s with carbs, 1911 weber 40s, 2270 dellorto 40s, and I currently have a bus with a 914 2056 weber 40s. All three of these started/start right up. I mash and hold, once or twice depending how long it has been, let off completely and turn the key. boom - starts. Runs rough for a bit, gen light on. 10-20 sec. in, blip throttle, little more. Then put it in gear and drive away...
I do the same on my 914-6 now, 3.0 hotrod with Weber 46s. Although I do let it sit and idle a lot longer. I can go a month and start with 2 maybe 3 full "press and holds"...
Maybe I'm just lucky...

[Steve]

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I know carbs and never had a problem running dual 40’s on my 2 liter 4 with stock cams. I also ran 40’s on my 2.7 six with stock cams. Both motors ran fine and I preferred that setup over the antique fuel injection it came with. I do prefer the more modern stock fuel injection on my current 3.2 six. So I would not hesitate to buy this car on bat with carbs, but that’s just me. I admire the die hard guys on this site that keep that antique fuel injection alive, but carbs never left me stranded. Except this car is a 76, so I would never own it living in CA.

[wonkipop]

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GA

*Let's be fair: I do chuckle at our calling the L-Jet and D-Jet "EFI" and the boxes "computers". That is correct in the core sense of the words, but seriously...in today's context, I think my high school calculator had higher computing power than these 25 or so transistors flying in formation pretending to be anything more complex than a POTS mechanical switching labyrinth...

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very true.

i know my hewlett packard 41CV has more grunt.
.......but to the credit of the L jet "brain" and the HP both are still going.
thats the incredible/admirable thing about some of the old 70s hardware and possibly really about the only rational reason for persisting. if indeed its rational.
its the fun of playing around with old tech.
carbies are the same fun. different old tech.
agree with your level handed view of things.
there are enough intact d and l jets running around for museum purposes.

besides the same engine ran around in europe in thousands of 411s and 412s with a twin carb set up, not to mention the factories own 914 version in the 74/75 1.8.
same could be said of all the old type 3 VWs. most of them had D jet in the USA, but not anywhere else in the world. 98% of them were the venerable twin carb set up down here in north antarctica. its not like the factory was biased. basically it had to have EFI for USA emissions. primary reason. there may have been other advantages but back then it was a very expensive system compared to a carby and often diagnosis at the dealers involved wholesale replacement of components - so it had it disadvantages too for your average joe driver/consumer.
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[mate914]

How did I give you backlash? You lie about what people say. I don't even know Dr. 914, and he did nothing wrong!
I do however call out BS when I see it snowflake.
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[quote name='914' date='Apr 21 2023, 05:47 PM' post='3072892']
Matt,
I knew I would get backlash for my comment..
Why ask Our members to comment on this BAT discussion?
Maybe I am missing something? End of Discussion For me..
914/Alan




Mattquote name='mate914' date='Apr 21 2023, 12:23 PM' post='3072875']
Where did he bash it? @914 /Alan?

Matt


[quote name='914' post='3072870' date='Apr 21 2023, 03:13 PM']
Dr914,
Why would you Post this? It should be Only posted on BAT And I bet they would take down the Post on BAT. Is Bashing somebody's car your Business Model? Oh I forgot you know everything..
914/Alan
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[BillJ]

Just to keep stirring, i dont think anyone that is in the "original fuel injection system or die" camp thinks it is the best system ever designed. It is truth however that original has value in the car world. A purity in how the factory designed and delivered the car. And if you want to live the experience as the factory intended it is your only choice. From a value perspective in original or fully restored cars that has to be the proper baseline too.