 1974 2.0L Rebuild, need a plan for maximum safe horsepower |
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| basenji7 |
 Jan 22 2005, 09:03 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 20-April 04 From: dallas, tx Member No.: 1,953  |
Does anyone have a hi HP plan for a '74 2.0L 914 engine rebuild? I want to get the max possible horespower out of it and retain the reliability. If someone has pushed it to the safe limit and can provide me w/the details i would appreciate it.
Currently fuel injected but I would like to entertain all avenues smilie Thanks, Darryl http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/753901 |
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| SGB |
Jan 22 2005, 11:45 PM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
keep in mind that most mods change peak horsepower location in the rev range. I've done a lot of mods lately to get more hp- perhaps the most significant is the Mallory distributor to top off the web-cam, webers and SSI exhaust. what I wasn't aware of how evrything was gonna happen at higher revs (unless I'm just putterin around). So now I can tell I need 2nd-grar synchros pretty soon.
So make sure you consider all the requirements. Oh, improved brakes are probably helpul too. |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 22 2005, 11:50 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,469 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
you can counter act this a bit by using longer intake runners (or manifolds for your carbs) and longer/higher velocity stacks ... this will move peak HP down in the rmp band. also, what muffler do you run? a more restrictive muffler will also move HP down in the power band. otherwise, keep those revs up! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) Andy |
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| basenji7 |
Jan 23 2005, 12:12 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 20-April 04 From: dallas, tx Member No.: 1,953 |
I'm running the Bursh exhaust from Pelican Parts. As far as the breaks, I plan on some slotted cryogenic frozen rotors. I already have the 19mm MC and SS brake lines. I'm trying to keep it somewhat as stock as possible but I do want to be safe. This car will do DE/AX events but it will be mostly a daily driver..
thx.........d |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 23 2005, 12:19 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,469 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
unless you go for a warmed up camshaft, there's no use in using carbs. they won't be making more HP but *will* eat more fuel ... however, *if* you go with a more agressive camshaft, the stock FI won't cut it. your call, i guess. the bursch muffler is a good choice, what do you run for the heat-exchangers/headers? SSI HEs have a bigger dia. and help the engine to breath better. a well set up 2.0L (euro PCs/ euro compression) should get you in the 95HP (at the wheel) range, which is plenty for our little cars, if you know how to use it ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) Andy |
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| nebreitling |
Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
displacement. add copiously.
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| basenji7 |
Jan 23 2005, 03:09 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 20-April 04 From: dallas, tx Member No.: 1,953 |
I was thinking somewhere in the 150hp range. Maybe my eyes r bigger than my belly. I'm putting 86rwhp and 109torque now. I saw this and I got all happy: http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/695880 210hp is his claim w/a 4. I know better than to believe everything on the internet.
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| newdeal2 |
Jan 23 2005, 07:39 AM
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Look into Jake Raby's 2270 kit that will be coming soon...it's the best setup and if I''m not mistaken 165 bhp and civil.
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| MecGen |
Jan 23 2005, 08:08 AM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Hey
Mines like this : Web Cam - camshaft Kobles Euro pistons 8:1 009 recurved distributor mild worked heads 36mm Dells Bursch exhaust The rest of the money went into Blueprinting ie: Fan, crank, clutch, rods balance. All new bolt kit, rods, studs , etc High volume oil pump deck hights/cc magnoflex, shot peening rocker geomet, push rod/rockers with swivvle foot, valve heights. Very important that you leave no stone unturned for the "reliability" factor. More HP means less reliability. Mine pulls hard start to finnish, after 9 years. Now if I can only can eat the 200hp rice burner at the end of the street (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) Maybe with more cyl.... WBR Joe |
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| Dominic |
Jan 23 2005, 08:27 AM
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Dominic Group: Members Posts: 995 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Vacaville, CA Member No.: 149 Region Association: Northern California |
If you are talking about a daily driver with 150 BHP (not rear wheel HP) out of a 2.0L with stock F.I. or carbs......not gonna happen unless you start upping the CC's and adding headers, ect which may take you away from the daily driver direction. 150HP out of a 2.0L is no problem as long as you have about $8000 + to invest in a nice race engine. That 210 HP motor that guy has in his 914 is most likely a six cyl 911 engine. MORE HP = LOTS of $$$ |
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| DJsRepS |
Jan 23 2005, 09:24 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 431 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Sarasota Florida Member No.: 3,060 |
Simple math here Max hp + Reliability = Jake Raby
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| SirAndy |
Jan 23 2005, 12:10 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,469 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
bring WADS of cash ($$$) and forget about the stock rebuild ... you'll need to change all the internals, work magic on the heads, bump up compression and displacement, run big carbs, get some big headers ... and then some ... 150 HP will cost you *much* more than you paid for the entire car! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jan 23 2005, 12:23 PM
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Professional Tinkerer Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,548 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
ive seen this car.
(IMG:http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/695000-695999/695880_9_full.jpg) that is at the don and glen swap here in SoCal thats a FAT built motor. (and my nissan exterra is in that pic! LOL) |
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| jd74914 |
Jan 23 2005, 01:18 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,875 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
so it actually exists (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif) , unlike most other car domain stuff
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| basenji7 |
Jan 23 2005, 02:49 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 20-April 04 From: dallas, tx Member No.: 1,953 |
Jake Raby really seems to be the way to go. Does anyone have a ballpark on the cost? I'm considering one of the 2270 engines.
Thanks for everyone's insight. darryl |
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| anthony |
Jan 23 2005, 03:20 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218  |
Jake will tell you that each engine is different but you can figure on north of $8K with intake (carbs or FI) and exhaust.
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| MattR |
Jan 23 2005, 03:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
Im not sure its fair to answer any engine questions without an idea on what you're willing to spend. If you go cheap (like me) and spend in the 4k range for a home made 2056cc, you're probably going to get in the 100-110 hp range. But like everybody has said if you have Jake Raby build an engine he can build a monster that will be sweet on the street and push big HP, but crack open the wallet.
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 23 2005, 03:59 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,037 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I have build a 95rwhp 2056 and it take more than just adding 96mm pistons. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
After spending $$$$ to have the heads reworked to 42x38 valves plus exhaust porting Get a FI cam with alittle more exhaust duration/lift plus ceramic lifters 96mm Nikkies with 9:1 compression ARP rod bolts Balancing Dyno time to set up/tune the MPS! Should break the 100hp rwhp or 120hp or so with Djet. Geoff |
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| anthony |
Jan 23 2005, 07:08 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
I've been thinking of building a 2056 but I'm holding off to see Jake's new web site to see how cost effective it might be to go with a 2270.
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 23 2005, 08:07 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,037 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Forget runnin Djet if you do. A modified 2056 with run Djet no problems unless you get a fancy cam.
Geoff (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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