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| JeffBowlsby |
Jul 23 2023, 01:36 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,222 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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The original LE spoiler is not fiberglass. It’s made from molding dough compound and a two part mold if you are familiar with that process.
All repro spoilers are laid up fiberglass and none come close to the details of what the originals are about. |
| technicalninja |
Jul 23 2023, 02:31 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,531 Joined: 31-January 23 From: Granbury Texas Member No.: 27,135 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Smooth on the inside and often the mold is pressurized during forming.
Very similar to the Fiero/Saturn stuff then. It has glass in it but it doesn't look like it does on the back side. Much, much better in my book. It's the expensive way of doing fiberglass. If I had a real LE that was nice, I'd want all the original mounting stuff and I'd be far more careful with the car. I'd also bug the crap out of Mark for those original brackets. My 75 1.8L is nice enough that I'm going to be very careful in the mods I do to the car. It's nothing special and it's still nice enough that I will refrain from making new holes in the body and any cutting of the original harness. All of the mods have to be true "bolt in only" and easily swapped back to original. I am keeping every single original piece I remove from the car. Zip ties (the bane of originality) will be used for the additional wiring I will require, and I will make a legend showing the location of all of them for later removal if a future owner wants to return to stock. The 75 will get the LE spoiler I have with aluminum braces that you guys have mapped out for me. |
| wonkipop |
Jul 24 2023, 02:12 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,480 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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How do they attach to the spoiler so the FG does rip ? Rubber grommets ? Wonkipop, it's still very common to see ALL of the traffic (between major cities) running 90+ mph here in Texas. My youngest son got a ticket in a Honda Odyssey at 100 in a 75. just a simple ticket but because it was more than 24mph over he couldn't take driver's ed. Cost him $250 to get "deferred adjudication". No tickets for 6 months and it disappeared. No effect on his insurance. i'm packing up and moving to texas. with my rhd car just to give @clayperrine a good laugh. i'll be in houston. loved the joint (but that was 30+ years ago!). dreamin. my female accomplice wants to live in marfa. i'm sure we can manage even if its a fantasy. i'm over north antarctica. its gone to the dogs. |
| 87m491 |
Jul 24 2023, 06:20 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 29-July 12 From: Portland, the original! Member No.: 14,731 Region Association: North East States
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Sometimes I find my lack of "mechanical common sense" appalling. When recommissioning my 914, I wondered why Porsche would install the spoiler so that you needed to almost remove the bumper to get it off.
As my spoiler was long gone I had no template and assumed they fastened from the outside in. In retrospect inside out makes more sense as you can see in the far lower left, and far lower right, there are slotted cutouts in the "latch panel" to allow some variance to align with the captured speed nut locked onto the spoiler. I used thin bits of rubber on each side, of each spoiler mounting point to reduced vibration fracture possibilities. While my spoiler was unfortunately long gone, who ever put the cow catcher on as a replacement was a little to lazy to fully remove the original supports. Like Jeff's example mine had slanted creases on the bottom which I suspect ever so slightly allowed for better alignment to the spoiler when properly installed L/R. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-14731-1690201254.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-14731-1690201255.2.jpg) Complete original hardware. Note color of plating on brackets and width of opening on tin clips. The clips slip over thick edge or spoiler easily. These brackets are bent 'square' at the small hole end, Marks are bent at an angle Thanks for the detailed picture. Where do the 10mm headed cad plated bolts with the large flat washers and the rubber washers fit? These are in the center of the pictures. Those two are tightened from inside the front trunk through the latch panel. The rubber discs and large flat washers are to keep the interior of the trunk dry. Actually an 8mm tool. The two smaller ones are tightened from inside the front fenderwells through the latch panel as well. Same screw as above, just shorter. All four pull the spoiler against the body with the tin clips slipped onto the edge of the fiberglass. |
| friethmiller |
Jul 24 2023, 07:49 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 10-February 19 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 22,863 Region Association: Southwest Region
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) My LE's spoiler wasn't original but I think the hardware was. Now I need to go find the box that I stored them in and check.
UPDATE: Here are mine. They look original but who knows. I will clean them up and get them looking that way thanks to this post. ![]() |
| friethmiller |
Jul 25 2023, 08:08 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 10-February 19 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 22,863 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Ok, this is definitely original hardware. Once I got the rust and old paint cleaned off, you could see the crease lines (arrows). I went ahead and bent the pieces back to something close to original. I'll finish prep on them later. I know they'd zinc plate but I think painting them might be the better option.
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Jul 25 2023, 10:13 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,232 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
where did you get them Mark?
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| 914Sixer |
Jul 25 2023, 10:38 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,453 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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George, I got them from you. They were listed on Ebay. One right side left still I think.
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| TonyA |
Jul 25 2023, 01:15 PM
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Nachmal ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 672 Joined: 17-November 16 From: Hilltown PA Member No.: 20,596 Region Association: North East States
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Complete original hardware. Note color of plating on brackets and width of opening on tin clips. The clips slip over thick edge or spoiler easily. These brackets are bent 'square' at the small hole end, Marks are bent at an angle OMG I found some of that hardware in a bag that came with one of my LE's I still have it and now know where it goes! Almost Where does that large fender washer type of bolt go exactly. Thanks Roy |
| TonyA |
Jul 25 2023, 01:19 PM
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Nachmal ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 672 Joined: 17-November 16 From: Hilltown PA Member No.: 20,596 Region Association: North East States
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Never mind Roy I looked at your other comment, I think I figured it out. thanks for the post!!
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| rgalla9146 |
Jul 25 2023, 02:51 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,950 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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Never mind Roy I looked at your other comment, I think I figured it out. thanks for the post!! TonyA, it's Rory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
| TonyA |
Jul 26 2023, 10:15 AM
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Nachmal ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 672 Joined: 17-November 16 From: Hilltown PA Member No.: 20,596 Region Association: North East States
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That's what I said in my head but spelled it differently. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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| friethmiller |
Jul 26 2023, 05:12 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 10-February 19 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 22,863 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Not to hijack this thread too much but I had a question. I'm under no illusion here. I realize that my LE Spoiler is NOT original. While it's in pretty bad shape, I did notice it had a serial number on it: 7PW 201 914 V3. Does this mean anything to anybody? I was going to trash it but if it's worth saving I might consider repairing. I'm sure I can get this looking new again but it'll be a lot of labor. To me this is junk, am I correct?
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jul 26 2023, 05:17 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,222 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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That’s the vintage VPC aftermarket LE-style spoiler. A nice example is prolly worth a Little more than todays reprise but not much more. I have details on my Classics site .
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| friethmiller |
Jul 26 2023, 05:27 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 10-February 19 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 22,863 Region Association: Southwest Region
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That’s the vintage VPC aftermarket LE-style spoiler. A nice example is prolly worth a Little more than todays reprise but not much more. I have details on my Classics site . Thanks for the info, Jeff! Is the "classic site" the LE registry? Or, something else? I may go ahead and repair it. |
| JeffBowlsby |
Jul 26 2023, 06:05 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,222 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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My Classics page link is in my signature block.
https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/ Accessories page, about half way down. |
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