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Need some experts on engines, someone put a vw motor in a 911, what could it be? |
Gigamight |
Oct 20 2009, 08:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 8-June 09 From: Near Akron, Ohio Member No.: 10,454 Region Association: Middle East |
So I'm searching for a 911 motor, and I come across an 84 and they want $400 for the motor.. woohoo right? Wellllll, they say someone put a 4 cyl "older vw motor in it". So what would anyone in their right mind put in a 911 that is an older 4 cyl vw motor? And is it possible that it could be worth anything? There is nobody in the place that knows anything about the motor.
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tat2dphreak |
Oct 20 2009, 09:16 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
engine craps out, you'll put anything in there to keep running. and you can get 200hp VW engines, if you are willing to rebuild once a year or less.. type 1 engines CAN produce hp... for a while. and they are generally "cheap" to rebuild. I'd venture you can rebuild a type 1 150hp engine 3-4 times for the price of a 911 rebuild from a good mechanic.
would I do it? no. if I was going to put a type 1 in something to get it going I'd have been driving my 914 before now. another possibility is they "think" it's an old vw motor and it's actually a 912 or 356 engine. at first glance under the hood they can be confused... people see the dog house and scream VW. btw, I'm not an expert on anything but goofing off. |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 20 2009, 10:35 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,442 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Huh. I was going to say it might be a 912E that came with a T4 until I re-read the post and saw it was an 84....
Well, I guess I said it anyway, didn't I. Zach |
Mark Henry |
Oct 20 2009, 11:06 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
My type one 2.0 Berg engine (120hp) has been chuging along for the last 18years and 70k miles..... I've pulled my 914 with it.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-26-1222545375_thumb.jpg) I bet it's got a WC engine in it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
type47 |
Oct 20 2009, 11:15 AM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
My type one 2.0 Berg engine (120hp) has been chuging along for the last 18years and 70k miles..... I've pulled my 914 with it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-26-1222545375_thumb.jpg) sorry to hijack, but that is the ultimate picture! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) |
bandjoey |
Oct 20 2009, 12:29 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,925 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Sorry, but the Ultimate picture would have the 914 on jackstands on the trailer! (on the way to pick up mama from prison, etc, etc)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Bill |
zymurgist |
Oct 20 2009, 12:42 PM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
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davep |
Oct 20 2009, 01:54 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,138 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
It could be a 25 HP type 1, but until you get a serial # it could be anything.
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Gigamight |
Oct 20 2009, 03:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 8-June 09 From: Near Akron, Ohio Member No.: 10,454 Region Association: Middle East |
It could be a 25 HP type 1, but until you get a serial # it could be anything. You're right, I need to get the serial from these guys. They are whining that "it's all wrapped up....." I'm thinking they don't want to sell the thing. At this point, I'm thinking it could be darn near anything. Heck, my car came with a type 3 that just wasn't hooked up. Thanks guys. |
tat2dphreak |
Oct 20 2009, 03:15 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
the number only tells you anything if it's built "stock" too...
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GeorgeRud |
Oct 20 2009, 04:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
BTW, that combination was done by Porsche when they built the original 912 and later the 912E.
It won't be fast, but should be OK as a nice cruiser. Just think of it as a reversed engine swap. |
SLITS |
Oct 20 2009, 06:22 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
A few people I know pulled the 912 engine (not the 912E) and replaced it with a Type 1 or a Type 4. The 912 didn't have enough to get out of it's own way.
They always kept the original 356/912 engine for purists. |
tat2dphreak |
Oct 20 2009, 08:37 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) type 1 and the 356/912 engine aren't the same, but I've seen people put a type 1 in their place.
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Gigamight |
Oct 20 2009, 08:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 8-June 09 From: Near Akron, Ohio Member No.: 10,454 Region Association: Middle East |
Just for the record, I have a great 1.8 that I got from etcmss, but I am looking for a project engine to build up for an upgrade later down the line.
So anyways, out of curiosity, what other engines from what models will bolt up? I want to stay in the Porsche family, but I don't want to re-invent the car to make it work. |
tat2dphreak |
Oct 20 2009, 08:50 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
define "bolt up"?
any type 4 will bolt up, any 6 up to a 3.2 (I think) will bolt up with a 6 conversion. type 1 could be made to work, but why? other than that you gotta go wasserpumper... which is SO not in the family (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) want easy bolt on hp? build that 1.8 into something with a Jake kit, or a McMark 2056.. hows that for keeping it in the family (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
SLITS |
Oct 20 2009, 09:06 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
define "bolt up"? any type 4 will bolt up, any 6 up to a 3.2 (I think) will bolt up with a 6 conversion. The clutch and input spline can the problem with early Flat Sixes. Flat Sixes From '72 up, the input splining and diameter was changed for the 915 tranny. They also went from 215 mm clutch to the 225 mm. Kennedy can make a flywheel to bolt up to most anything. You will find finding engine tin, engine mounts and exhaust system to put a Type 4 in a bit difficult as it was only fitted to the 912E. There weren't a whole lot of them made. |
Gigamight |
Oct 20 2009, 09:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 8-June 09 From: Near Akron, Ohio Member No.: 10,454 Region Association: Middle East |
define "bolt up"? any type 4 will bolt up, any 6 up to a 3.2 (I think) will bolt up with a 6 conversion. type 1 could be made to work, but why? other than that you gotta go wasserpumper... which is SO not in the family (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) want easy bolt on hp? build that 1.8 into something with a Jake kit, or a McMark 2056.. hows that for keeping it in the family (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have been thinking of something like the 2056, but I haven't found much info on power. If I do an upgrade, I really want a big HP jump over a stock type 4. When I say "bolt on" I guess I mean I don't want to do anything as dramatic as a V8. No offense to the V8 guys, I just don't think I'm up to that challenge. |
Mark Henry |
Oct 20 2009, 09:19 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE If I do an upgrade, I really want a big HP jump over a stock type 4. It's a kit car do a suby conversion. Type 4 bring money or/6 bring more money! Type one will still cost ya if done right. |
tat2dphreak |
Oct 20 2009, 10:06 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
define "bolt up"? any type 4 will bolt up, any 6 up to a 3.2 (I think) will bolt up with a 6 conversion. The clutch and input spline can the problem with early Flat Sixes. Flat Sixes From '72 up, the input splining and diameter was changed for the 915 tranny. They also went from 215 mm clutch to the 225 mm. Kennedy can make a flywheel to bolt up to most anything. You will find finding engine tin, engine mounts and exhaust system to put a Type 4 in a bit difficult as it was only fitted to the 912E. There weren't a whole lot of them made. maybe I misunderstood. I was thinking of 914 bolt ups, not the 911. I knew about the flywheel conversion, that's just part of the 914 conversion I wasn't thinking about the 911 with the vw engine. big hp for little money is either the suby or SBC. not in the family. for the 911... I couldn't feel right about anything but a flat 6 in there. for a 914, I've gone back and forth... if you want the most hp for your money, then chebbie. but with all that extra weight and hp, you open up other cans of worms.... 1st the Cvs can't handle it, then the 901 can't, then ??? so, imo, a scoobie is probably a lot more practical to get "enough" hp for your money, without going crazy. as much fun as a 914 with a 396 would be... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) but even then, we are talking 225 hp? certainly under 300... and a lot of work for that. figure out your "budget", add 25% and see what you can get and what you have to do for each one... I think you'd be looking at a suby @ 225 with a lot of fabbing, a raby kit at about 185, and he did the hard work for you.. or a cheap, budget 6 conversion where you get absolutely lucky on finding some cheap parts for less hp. the difference with the 6 is upgradability later... something to think about. I love aircooled, personally... I'd like to drive a suby conversion, but I wouldn't make one myself, I don't think. |
charliew |
Oct 20 2009, 10:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
200 is just about the minimum hp with a 2.0 turbo suby even with the stock ecu. With the later 2.5 turbos 225 is about the minimum with 17psi.
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