Fog lights into Head Lights?, Do they make a small hi / lo beam for the flood lights? |
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Fog lights into Head Lights?, Do they make a small hi / lo beam for the flood lights? |
Cire |
Oct 29 2009, 06:10 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 12-March 09 From: Tucson, Arizona Member No.: 10,155 Region Association: None |
I was thinking about replacing my flood lights with hi / low beam lights and then removing my standard bucket and motor lights.
Anyone seen this done? Anyone seen a hi low beam for the fog light area? Thanks all. Eric |
jt914-6 |
Oct 29 2009, 06:13 AM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
In most if not all states, the fog lights would be too low to be considered "headlights". Headlights would have to be higher to be legal......
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Cire |
Oct 29 2009, 06:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 12-March 09 From: Tucson, Arizona Member No.: 10,155 Region Association: None |
In most if not all states, the fog lights would be too low to be considered "headlights". Headlights would have to be higher to be legal...... You are probably correct about that. = ) Anyone seen it done or tried it? = ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Eruc = ) |
tat2dphreak |
Oct 29 2009, 09:14 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE In most if not all states, the fog lights would be too low to be considered "headlights". Headlights would have to be higher to be legal...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) and if you put that kind of wattage down there it would be noticable. get some pilot driving lights, they bolt in and are basically another set of low beams. also, the fog light surrounds are plastic, and actual headlights would probably get too hot |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 29 2009, 09:21 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,442 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
the Pilot driving lights that I have work better then the H4 headlights. I have them aimed in between my low beans and high beams. I actually don't need my high beams with the driving lights on. WAY more light with the H4 low beam and pilot driving lights.
Zach |
underthetire |
Oct 29 2009, 09:55 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
+1 on the pilot driving lights !
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detoxcowboy |
Oct 29 2009, 10:26 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,294 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 8,642 Region Association: Africa |
2nd on Pilots!! I have yellow Pilots w/ 85 watt H3 PIAA crystal ion yellow bulbs (regular pilots come at 55 watts H3 clear) when I flash these in a bright sunny so. cal. day on the freeway it is like the autobahn move & the drivers see it and move out of "my lane" (thats driving w/ Los Angeles attitude). Also have used them middle of the night in foggy/misty Big Sur North Coast and they work outstandingly.
Not a sales pitch because I do not care if I have to hold these awhile but I am selling these in about a week when my restored stock with new amber lenses get here. Only changing for some purity of originality and atheistic ( I am painting next mo.) but will miss the "evil yellow eyes" and their laser beams. |
Cire |
Oct 29 2009, 11:14 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 12-March 09 From: Tucson, Arizona Member No.: 10,155 Region Association: None |
2nd on Pilots!! I have yellow Pilots w/ 85 watt H3 PIAA crystal ion yellow bulbs (regular pilots come at 55 watts H3 clear) when I flash these in a bright sunny so. cal. day on the freeway it is like the autobahn move & the drivers see it and move out of "my lane" (thats driving w/ Los Angeles attitude). Also have used them middle of the night in foggy/misty Big Sur North Coast and they work outstandingly. Not a sales pitch because I do not care if I have to hold these awhile but I am selling these in about a week when my restored stock with new amber lenses get here. Only changing for some purity of originality and atheistic ( I am painting next mo.) but will miss the "evil yellow eyes" and their laser beams. LOL My goal is to totally remove the standard regular head light. Less weight, 1 less wire, less hassle... So just to get some street legal headlights in there would be great. = ) See? = ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 29 2009, 11:21 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,442 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
My goal is to totally remove the standard regular head light. Less weight, 1 less wire, less hassle... So just to get some street legal headlights in there would be great. = ) See? = ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) They won't be street legal, they will be mounted too low. People that have done what you are trying to do have re-purposed the turn signal housings as headlight housings, using motorcycle headlights. That is the only way to get the height legal. its all custom work, at that point. To remove the headlights would be more then 1 less wire. but to remove them would mean taking apart the entire forward wiring harness, or else you will be risking ground outs. Would be less work to remove the headlight motors and work up a cable pull system that uses small pneumatic struts (which has also been done and documented on this site.) If your car is a street car at all, you are going to want legal headlights. Zach |
SirAndy |
Oct 29 2009, 11:22 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,631 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
My goal is to totally remove the standard regular head light. Less weight, 1 less wire, less hassle... So just to get some street legal headlights in there would be great. The lights you put in there might be legal, the location will not. You'll still get a ticket. If all that is of no concern to you, you can probably make any smaller headlight fit ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
tat2dphreak |
Oct 29 2009, 11:38 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
the real weight savings would be taking out the motors for the headlights? why not just buy/make the GT-style opening kit? that would be legal and easier.
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detoxcowboy |
Oct 29 2009, 11:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,294 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 8,642 Region Association: Africa |
Actually the height would not be legal, Porsche/Volkswagen put the pop up headlight in the 914 not to be aerodynamic but to meet legal height requirements for headlights. True Story.
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detoxcowboy |
Oct 29 2009, 11:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,294 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 8,642 Region Association: Africa |
Here is the link page cut and pasted for u. If you give up on "legal" you can do it. My first 914 had the turn signals removed and cut out w/ the fenders bent /shaped into a slope nose w/ the side marker moved to the front and hooked to the flashers thus working as turn signals," less weight no hassle less wires" never got a ticket but i sold that piece of **** as a costumed slop nose first sign of problems.., I do not think it went any faster with the turnsignals and buckets removed but it was quicker when the tank was on "e".
The Porsche 914 featured pop-up headlamps to meet height regulations. Because the nose was so low, pop-up headlamps were used to meet minimum-height regulations. The headlight design was a typical piece of Porschearbeit, with every contingency anticipated. For example, each unit had an electric motor and provision for manual operation in case of power loss. Both methods were designed so that either could easily break the thickest coat of ice the engineers could conjure in cold-weather tests. To prevent catching unwary fingers as the lamps closed, Porsche provided a safety panel that would give way before one’s digits did. |
Cap'n Krusty |
Oct 29 2009, 12:45 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Not only are lights in the fog light position of a 914 illegal because they fall below the minimum legal height, but any light used as what we call a 'headlight" has to be so designated and approved for use as such by the DOT. That's TWO strikes. Why go looking for trouble?
The Cap'n |
Jeffs9146 |
Oct 29 2009, 01:02 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
Neo's Headlights in the blinker thread
I don't know what Neo914-6 ended up doing with his but he was on track with an interesting concept! Attached image(s) |
Bruce Hinds |
Oct 29 2009, 01:28 PM
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V-8 madness Group: Members Posts: 733 Joined: 27-December 06 From: Port Orchard, WA Member No.: 7,391 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Neo's Headlights in the blinker thread I don't know what Neo914-6 ended up doing with his but he was on track with an interesting concept! NOW THAT'S INTERESTING! Where's that thread? |
JmuRiz |
Oct 29 2009, 04:38 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,425 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
2nd on Pilots!! I have yellow Pilots w/ 85 watt H3 PIAA crystal ion yellow bulbs (regular pilots come at 55 watts H3 clear) when I flash these in a bright sunny so. cal. day on the freeway it is like the autobahn move & the drivers see it and move out of "my lane" (thats driving w/ Los Angeles attitude). Also have used them middle of the night in foggy/misty Big Sur North Coast and they work outstandingly. Not a sales pitch because I do not care if I have to hold these awhile but I am selling these in about a week when my restored stock with new amber lenses get here. Only changing for some purity of originality and atheistic ( I am painting next mo.) but will miss the "evil yellow eyes" and their laser beams. I'm guessing with those lights you have some kind of relay? Just wondering if the stock fog-light wiring can handle the wattage. BTW I'm diggin' the look with the yellow Pilots! |
pcar916 |
Oct 29 2009, 06:53 PM
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Is that a Lola? Group: Members Posts: 1,523 Joined: 2-June 05 From: Little Rock, AR Member No.: 4,188 Region Association: None |
I've always run one white running light and one yellow one for fog. That said, you guys may have better luck than I do with those low mounted lights. I've put on several sets over the years and they always get broken within a few weeks of mounting them. Come to think about it, they were broken when I bought the car!
Legal or not, I'd never mount my main beams that low. Too much maintenance. Good Luck |
dw914er |
Oct 29 2009, 08:43 PM
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Planning Cities Group: Members Posts: 2,364 Joined: 1-March 08 From: Yucaipa, CA Member No.: 8,763 Region Association: Southern California |
Not only are lights in the fog light position of a 914 illegal because they fall below the minimum legal height, but any light used as what we call a 'headlight" has to be so designated and approved for use as such by the DOT. That's TWO strikes. Why go looking for trouble? The Cap'n what he said btw... those yellow pilot lights look sweet... that might be a future investment for my car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
flipb |
Oct 29 2009, 08:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,722 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 10,752 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Came across this kit on PP while browsing for other things.
Only $25 and it wires the fogs to work as flashers when the headlights are off, but the stalk will still activate the high beams as usual when the lights are on. Anybody using this? PS - never seen the Neo car before today. My new favorite non-stock looking teener. |
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