preserve your Rubber with this stuff... Options

[ME733]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ....Well I was fortunate some few years ago to luck up on a no-brand silicone liquid that was like molassis...used it for every rubber part on my cars until it was gone......AND I HAVE FOUND....a product you need to be aware of a product I just discovered. I think It,s new on the market....here goes ...BLACK MAGIC -Titanium....it,s a tire shine product...Its a THICK silicone,almost a gel, and comes with a scrub brush applicator. This stuff is INCREDABLE. I scrubbed down my tires (washed them) several times,allowed them to dry, and in the warm sun applied this stuff to both sides of the tires. They look better than new....Then I started on the rubber bumper tops, and every other rubber part on the car.(914)...it,s been about 3 weeks since I treated the whole car, and the rubber everywhere looks just great!!!...I got clean rags, wiped down most of the rubber parts, which released the imbeded dirt and crud from the rubber. then reapplied it everywhere again. ALL this took about 1/4 of the bottle, which is 16 oz,s. This stuff really works, It soaks into the rubber making it softer, looks great and will last longer than anything I have ever used... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[Tom_T]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ....Well I was fortunate some few years ago to luck up on a no-brand silicone liquid that was like molassis...used it for every rubber part on my cars until it was gone......AND I HAVE FOUND....a product you need to be aware of a product I just discovered. I think It,s new on the market....here goes ...BLACK MAGIC -Titanium....it,s a tire shine product...Its a THICK silicone,almost a gel, and comes with a scrub brush applicator. This stuff is INCREDABLE. I scrubbed down my tires (washed them) several times,allowed them to dry, and in the warm sun applied this stuff to both sides of the tires. They look better than new....Then I started on the rubber bumper tops, and every other rubber part on the car.(914)...it,s been about 3 weeks since I treated the whole car, and the rubber everywhere looks just great!!!...I got clean rags, wiped down most of the rubber parts, which released the imbeded dirt and crud from the rubber. then reapplied it everywhere again. ALL this took about 1/4 of the bottle, which is 16 oz,s. This stuff really works, It soaks into the rubber making it softer, looks great and will last longer than anything I have ever used... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Murry - how about your source to buy & pix of your car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[ME733]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...I am STILL working on LEARNING HOW to put pictures on the site.I am somewhat "computer challanged" and need a FEDERAL EDUCATION GRANT so I can go to school (on everone elses money). to learn how to do some of this shit...also looking into "bulldozer driving school" as a refresher course...............and FOUND this stuff ..TITANIUM...at AUTO ZONE. Believe me this stuff works better than I can discribe...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[Tom_T]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...I am STILL working on LEARNING HOW to put pictures on the site.I am somewhat "computer challanged" and need a FEDERAL EDUCATION GRANT so I can go to school (on everone elses money). to learn how to do some of this shit...also looking into "bulldozer driving school" as a refresher course...............and FOUND this stuff ..TITANIUM...at AUTO ZONE. Believe me this stuff works better than I can discribe...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Thanx Murry, there's an Auto Zone just up the way from me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm just as computer challenged an olf fart, & someone here referred me to the page link below on how to add pix here, so I'll "pay it forward" - no grant needed! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=13637

I'll be waiting..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[Pat Garvey]

Hey guys, remember that silicone on any paintwork will cost you a lot more if you ever need a panel respray - so be very, very careful with it & keep it on the rubber. Silicone will seep right through the paint layers, requiring panel fixes taken down to bare metal.

Sounds like a decent product, when used with care, but I still prefer good old glycerin. Does a great job, though nothing will prevent 30+ years of age from taking its due.. Glycerin will not cause panel problems, works really well, and is readilly available again, though in a somewhat embarrasing form.

Pat

[Tom_T]

How is that Wurth Rubber Treatment? ...does it have glycerin or silicone or what?

I've used that on my other cars' rubber for a couple of years now, but it's not cheap, & may not be wurth it (pun intended) if it does the same or a lesser job than cheaper glycerin.

BTW Pat - what form is it in that's embarrassing?

I'm stumped, because I thought plain ole glycerin was still available in the drug stores etc. in generic plastic bottles?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Another caution on the tire black is it has a black dye in it, IRRC from a similar product I have used from PP, & that stains the paint - then you have to use some work & cleaning stuff to get it off.

[ME733]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...This stuff..TITANIUM...is absolutely ....CLEAR.....and pats probably right, about keeping it off paint, but a good wax job should provide a barrier thats sufficant...and BTW....it provided a very nice finish protectant for the fuchs that I busted my ass on for weeks.(the backsides of those the wheels really appreciated the attention.)...It will cut off any oxidation of the bare aluminum I,m sure...and gave the refinished wheels that last little something...this stuff is so good you,ll have enough confidence to JAP SLAP your mother in law. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[Pat Garvey]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...This stuff..TITANIUM...is absolutely ....CLEAR.....and pats probably right, about keeping it off paint, but a good wax job should provide a barrier thats sufficant...and BTW....it provided a very nice finish protectant for the fuchs that I busted my ass on for weeks.(the backsides of those the wheels really appreciated the attention.)...It will cut off any oxidation of the bare aluminum I,m sure...and gave the refinished wheels that last little something...this stuff is so good you,ll have enough confidence to JAP SLAP your mother in law. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

I tried that once....she slapped back!
Pat

[Tom_T]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...This stuff..TITANIUM...is absolutely ....CLEAR.....and pats probably right, about keeping it off paint, but a good wax job should provide a barrier thats sufficant...and BTW....it provided a very nice finish protectant for the fuchs that I busted my ass on for weeks.(the backsides of those the wheels really appreciated the attention.)...It will cut off any oxidation of the bare aluminum I,m sure...and gave the refinished wheels that last little something...this stuff is so good you,ll have enough confidence to JAP SLAP your mother in law. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) ....hmmm, a silicone rub down on the backside, eh!?

sorry Pat, couldn't resist, nor did you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Pat Garvey]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...This stuff..TITANIUM...is absolutely ....CLEAR.....and pats probably right, about keeping it off paint, but a good wax job should provide a barrier thats sufficant...and BTW....it provided a very nice finish protectant for the fuchs that I busted my ass on for weeks.(the backsides of those the wheels really appreciated the attention.)...It will cut off any oxidation of the bare aluminum I,m sure...and gave the refinished wheels that last little something...this stuff is so good you,ll have enough confidence to JAP SLAP your mother in law. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

I just waant to make this clear....silicone-based products go right through waxes, right through topcoats...right down to the metal. Sneaky bastards!

My advice? Don't use it...proly too late though. So long as you don't need a "spot" paint, you're OK. But if you do......$$$$$
Pat

[Mr.242]

I was told that Peanut Oil was a good rubber treatment.

I'm sure the dust likes the "oil" part.

I experimented with an old bumper top that was very dry and ugly....after a couple coats of Peanut Oil. It looks pretty good, not perfect but good.

So if you don't live around a ton of dust or can cover your car; might be an option.

.02 cents. Tried it on old first!

[Tom_T]

I was told that Peanut Oil was a good rubber treatment.

I'm sure the dust likes the "oil" part.

I experimented with an old bumper top that was very dry and ugly....after a couple coats of Peanut Oil. It looks pretty good, not perfect but good.

So if you don't live around a ton of dust or can cover your car; might be an option.

.02 cents. Tried it on old first!

....soooooo, what kind of Jelly did you use! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously though - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) - what kind of smell does it give off, & does that give you any problems with the critters - raccoons, squirrels, rats, bee, flys, yellow jackets, etc. - on the occasions when you do have it open to the air?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I'd also think that when driven it would become a magnet for road grime as well as dust!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

[underthetire]

My front bumper top looked real bad. Almost like someone had tried to paint it at one time. Took some 80 grit to it, then mothers back to black. Came out pretty good for a DD.

[dcheek]

For the 1975 and '76 owners with the impact bumpers, I use a product called Turtlewax Blacktop. Looks like show polish, and is no longer made. This is the only product that I've found to work on those type bumpers. I recall someone in the past trying real black shoe polish with poor results. If anyone has a product currently available, I would appreciate a heads up, as my supply of Blacktop is almost gone.

As far a rubber treatment, I remove all the dirt and oxidation with a printing supply product called "Rubber Rejuvenator" from Prisco. We use it to clean and treat rubber printing press rollers. This is not available in any store- only from a printing supplier. I can provide the information for those that are interested. It's not cheap, and you have to buy a gallon but, I've used it on 50 year old rubber, and when you're done, it looks brand new. Then I treat with Griot's Garage Vinyl and Rubber treatment. While it's better than Armorall I'm still looking for the perfect dressing.

Dave

[Tom_T]

For the 1975 and '76 owners with the impact bumpers, I use a product called Turtlewax Blacktop. Looks like show polish, and is no longer made. This is the only product that I've found to work on those type bumpers. I recall someone in the past trying real black shoe polish with poor results. If anyone has a product currently available, I would appreciate a heads up, as my supply of Blacktop is almost gone.

As far a rubber treatment, I remove all the dirt and oxidation with a printing supply product called "Rubber Rejuvenator" from Prisco. We use it to clean and treat rubber printing press rollers. This is not available in any store- only from a printing supplier. I can provide the information for those that are interested. It's not cheap, and you have to buy a gallon but, I've used it on 50 year old rubber, and when you're done, it looks brand new. Then I treat with Griot's Garage Vinyl and Rubber treatment. While it's better than Armorall I'm still looking for the perfect dressing.

Dave

Dave, what are the details on that Prisco rubber rejuvenator & a source in SoCal if you know??

I can use it on the rollers on my 1990 Minolta 4300 copier, as well as on my 914 & other cars - all of which are 20+ now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Geesh, looking at your 914 & 911 mileage, do you ever drive those poor neglected machines! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

My 73 914-2.0 has 174k after sitting in my garages the last 24 years on blocks, the 88 Westy just rolled 200k over TG weekend, the BMer is 170+ & kids Honda is over 130k! unfortunately/fortunatly, we all have to drive our cars & I'm looking forward to having the 914 restored & driving again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Thanx!
Tom

[dcheek]

Tom,
Like Pat Garvey I'm a stickler for originality, which has prevented me from driving the pants off my cars. Part of my enjoyment is preserving what I have. You can't believe the positive reinforcement I get when I bring out the 914 and people ask me how long have I've owned the car, or who painted it. When I answer I'm the original owner and took delivery in December of 1975 and "Porsche" painted the car, they simply can't believe it! Nevertheless, most people, either in or out of the car hobby have a hard time grasping the limited driving thing. I try to draw an analogy to owning a boat; you only use it in the summer and on a nice day.

I think you will have a hard time buying this product on your own from CA. You would have to set up an account etc. etc. I can send you a small container from my stash. If you like it I can order a gallon through my company. Just IM me with your shipping address (street address only- no P.O. Boxes). It's about $21.00 a gallon plus shipping to me, plus shipping to you.


Dave

[jaxdream]

That rubber rejuvenator may not be legal to sell or have in possesion of in the state of California , a lot of printing supplies and products are not allowed into that state because of the EPA regs. As far as the product goes I have worked around it for years in the printing industry and can say it does what it says it will do.Another Prisco product that I have used is the metering roller cleaner , beats acetone hands down for removing asphaltum based undercoating, especially if it's not too old it will wipe right off, otherwise a brisk rubbing with a rag or plastic bristled brush will do the trick.I just wonder how it would work on tires as far as preserving the rubber compound and slow age cracking.
My $.02

Jaxdream

[Mr.242]

Seriously though - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) - what kind of smell does it give off, & does that give you any problems with the critters - raccoons, squirrels, rats, bee, flys, yellow jackets, etc. - on the occasions when you do have it open to the air?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I'd also think that when driven it would become a magnet for road grime as well as dust!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

My car is the garage and disassembled. The normal dusty garage hasn't caused any issues with the peanut oil grabbing the dust out of the air. It has moistened the rubber and it has a "new" feel. No Bugs are attracted to it either. In an open garage, I don't have flies, wasps, or insects getting on it or swarming. ??? It was a suggestion an old car restorer told me to try. I've been pleased, so far.

Since, I haven't driven mine....YET, I won't know on road grime. I'm hoping for this spring to have it as a driver. I'm sure I will get around to buying a replacement for my SIX once I have the whole body painted. But for now, it works. Will see if I can get pics posted.

[dcheek]

That rubber rejuvenator may not be legal to sell or have in possesion of in the state of California , a lot of printing supplies and products are not allowed into that state because of the EPA regs. As far as the product goes I have worked around it for years in the printing industry and can say it does what it says it will do.Another Prisco product that I have used is the metering roller cleaner , beats acetone hands down for removing asphaltum based undercoating, especially if it's not too old it will wipe right off, otherwise a brisk rubbing with a rag or plastic bristled brush will do the trick.I just wonder how it would work on tires as far as preserving the rubber compound and slow age cracking.
My $.02

Jaxdream

For those who are concerned, you can download an MSDS sheet which will list the ingredients from the Prisco website. I think the metering roller cleaner is more hazardous than anything we've discussed. Again, check out the corresponding MSDS sheets and you decide. All I know is the rubber rejuvenator makes the old rubber look "original"

Dave

[Tom_T]

[quote name='Mr.242' date='Dec 4 2009, 08:02 AM' post='1246331']
[quote name='Tom_T' post='1245922' date='Dec 3 2009, 12:07 PM']
I'm sure I will get around to buying a replacement for my SIX once I have the whole body painted. But for now, it works. Will see if I can get pics posted.
[/quote]

When you do, check out Mark at Mikey914 for rubber bits here for both front & rear top pads, as well as his other seals which are mostly NLA now.

I saw them on a restored 72 at a local PCA gathering last month, and they are indistinguishable from the OEM ones - he had OEM rear & repro front, which are NLA.

I got an OEM rear from PP a few months back, but may go with Mark's anyway, because he uses non-corroding/non-rusting (relatively speaking) metal parts on them (SS on the top pads) & the rubber/PE is a better product today than the originals. Front has to be these as the others are NLA & AA is now using Mark's, but he has good pricing here for the 914world folks.

Likewise, for the seals he uses more expensive but non-rusting Aluminum inserts to clamp it onto the body part in question, rather than the rustable steel OEM type. He also makes the NLA cowl "Tee-seals". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)