916"s - the REAL ones, Who has pics & documentation? Options

[Pat Garvey]

Post it here please.
Pat

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

I am sure that the production 916 models would have had impact polyurethane bumpers with shocks much like the 75 76 models did.
And air conditioning: They would have had to engineer something to not interfere with the firewall. Anyone interested in a 916 that would have cost more than a 911 s would have demanded air conditioning and not a system that intruded into the cockpit behind the drivers seat! (like the 916 of yours truly!)

[Gustl]

Isn't it great that we american 914 owners have here in the states the most famous 916?

why do you think this is the most famous 916 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
I'd say they're all famous (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

And the only one DOT approved (just look at those side marker assemblies!)

that's not correct - 9142330013 is also DOT approved
it made it in 1975 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

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[Gustl]

ooops - forgot the pic ...

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Funny man. Wolfies car was a grey market import. Mine was officially imported as a new manufactured us spec car with the DOT factory sticker in the door jamb!!!!!!!!!

Isn't it great that we american 914 owners have here in the states the most famous 916?

why do you think this is the most famous 916 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
I'd say they're all famous (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

And the only one DOT approved (just look at those side marker assemblies!)

that's not correct - 9142330013 is also DOT approved
it made it in 1975 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

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[IronHillRestorations]

How about the Jerry Leonard 916? Anyone know if that was a US spec car?

[Gustl]

definitely not

btw - that'me, next to it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[URY914]

[Pat Garvey]

ooops - forgot the pic ...

So... tell us more about this 916! How could a gap of three years have ocurred between manufacture of the originals to this one?

I'm trying to beeducated here, so please don't send me to other sites. Tell me right here, on this thread. How was this anomoly produced?
Pat

[URY914]

It's easy. A guy walks in to the factory and says build me a 916.

[Gustl]

So... tell us more about this 916! How could a gap of three years have ocurred between manufacture of the originals to this one?

little misunderstanding, Pat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

they got produced at the same time - but the DOT approvement was 3 years later, because Georges 916 was delivered to the USA and the black one (which was viper green 1st) was delivered to Germany and came to the States in 1975

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[Pat Garvey]

So... tell us more about this 916! How could a gap of three years have ocurred between manufacture of the originals to this one?

little misunderstanding, Pat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

they got produced at the same time - but the DOT approvement was 3 years later, because Georges 916 was delivered to the USA and the black one (which was viper green 1st) was delivered to Germany and came to the States in 1975

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Wolfie,
I remain confused!

Why wasn't this 916 imported as a 1972 model? Obviously, it was registered in Germany as a 72 model - or was it?
Pat

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[Gustl]

the 1st owner of #0012 was Peter Gregg, the car was delivered to the USA
therefore it had the DOT in 1972

the 1st owner of #0013 was a guy from Germany, the car was registered and used in Germany; from my best knowledge it was a 3rd hand car when W. Schulz-Tattenpach bought it and brought it to the USA, where he had a repair shop (in San Francisco, IIRC); this was in 1975 - so the car got the DOT in 1975;
when he retiered, he went back to Germany and took the 916 with him;

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[Pat Garvey]

the 1st owner of #0012 was Peter Gregg, the car was delivered to the USA
therefore it had the DOT in 1972

the 1st owner of #0013 was a guy from Germany, the car was registered and used in Germany; from my best knowledge it was a 3rd hand car when W. Schulz-Tattenpach bought it and brought it to the USA, where he had a repair shop (in San Francisco, IIRC); this was in 1975 - so the car got the DOT in 1975;
when he retiered, he went back to Germany and took the 916 with him;

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Thanks for clearing this up for me. Makes sense now.
Pat

[Pat Garvey]

I don't know what it is about this "914", but it intrigues me to the point an affliction.

I spent the entire weekend research the 916, and cannot understand the secrecy asociated with them! There were only 11 of them, which makes them extremely valuable....yet not in classic Ferrari territory. So, why is it so difficult to come up with any concrete data about anything other than #12?

Oh there's some speculative data about a couple of the cars, which I'm certain that George, Wolfgang, etc already know - but nothing concrete and a little suspect.

For example, from a forgotten euro site it's stated that 9141430195 was equipped with a "2.9 RS motor", yet I'm led to believe it was a simple 190 hp 2.4 S motor.

On carpassion.com, it's stated that #14 was originally black, but repainted to brown metallic.

Also, per carpassion.com, #19 was subsequently upgraded to a 3.2 motor.

And, if #15 was totalled in a crash - when? And why is there no press on such an incident.

These are amongst the most significant Porsches produced (not THE most significant by any means), so why and how do they hide?

I don't mean to sound obsessed, but I hate unanswered questions.
Pat

[Pat Garvey]

I just noticed that the DOT'd #12 and #13 have totally different placement for the front side marker lights! Guess you could put them anywhere, so long as they were presnt.
Pat

[Pat Garvey]

Found this pic of (I think) #14, after it was reprayed from black to metallic brown.

Told you I was obsesssed!
Pat

[davesprinkle]

Look at that. The pinnacle of 914 development and it still needs a drip tray.

[URY914]

I don't know when this list was put together but is not current.

[smg914]

I just noticed that the DOT'd #12 and #13 have totally different placement for the front side marker lights! Guess you could put them anywhere, so long as they were presnt.
Pat

#12 along with the five 1971 914-6 M471 cars that were originally imported to the USA are probably the only factory flared cars with factory installed front side marker lights. These 6 cars have a unique location for these lights because the factory installed them lower and forward. #13 and most other flared cars that have front side marker lights have them in the standard location because they either began life as a non-USA/DOT car or because the flares were added later to a standard body USA/DOT car.

I also assume that when most people have flares installed on their standard body USA/DOT 914, they either leave the lights where they are or they just have them removed. Most people either aren't aware that the lights were in a different location on the factory flared USA 914s or they don't care or they don't think it's worth the trouble to determine exactly where the factory put them (IMHO).

[Gustl]

For example, from a forgotten euro site it's stated that 9141430195 was equipped with a "2.9 RS motor", yet I'm led to believe it was a simple 190 hp 2.4 S motor.

this was Ferdinand Piech's "toy" - it had a chrome badge on the left corner of the rear trunk that said "Corina 2.9" (Corina is the name of his wife)
car was black with lime green pinstripes and lime green Fuchs

On carpassion.com, it's stated that #14 was originally black, but repainted to brown metallic.

nope - #0014 left factory brown metallic
1st owner Wolfgang Porsche - 2nd owner has it until today (his wife was 2nd owner of #0011)

Also, per carpassion.com, #19 was subsequently upgraded to a 3.2 motor.

correct - but this was done by an owner - not the factory

And, if #15 was totalled in a crash - when? And why is there no press on such an incident.

this seems to be the biggest question concerning the 916 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
no answer till now

These are amongst the most significant Porsches produced (not THE most significant by any means), so why and how do they hide?

Porsche won't share this point of view
and - Porsche once told me, that they won't give any infos about their cars to anybody else but the current owner

I don't mean to sound obsessed, but I hate unanswered questions.
Pat

same here - this made me investigate for a long time
and I got lots of cool infos, but most of it was told to be confident - what I absolutely respect (even when I don't see the reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) )


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