Old Fart Attempts Rebirth of Garage Queen Gone Bad!, This is the year! Options

[Pat Garvey]

I meant to do this last year, but a lot of health & family things kept it from happening. Those are past history. So, now the process begins of bringing "Fritz" back to life.

For those uniformed, Fritz is my first Porsche. He could still win any concours, except he won't start! Each time I bought another Porsche, Fritz suffered. Nunca mas!

My former 20 year love Bluto is in good hands, and I have no more excuses.

I place this text here for help and experience from those who've done this before.

Number one problem is the fuel system. My tank is so purty from the outside, but gross on the inside - been sitting for 4 years with rotten gas in it.

I bought a "new" tank over the winter, but the PO rattle canned it & it looks like poop. It's a primo tank, just looks like crap.

Now, as soon as my garage temp hits 55 (I have old hands & they don't like cold temps), I'll drain the old tank & see if it's salvagable. If not, I'll have the "new" tank stripped & resprayed. This will be the first step.

So, I have some questions:

1. The car hasn't been started, or attempted. Should I have concerns about the pump? After all, it has old gas in it too.
2. Injectors - should I just change them (since they probably have old gas in them too). I have some new ones ready to go.
3. Anything else I should check in the fuel system, assuming I have a new/restored tank?

I probably should have posted this in the Garage, but I wanted opinions from other wienies first.

Fritz WILL hit the road this summer. Yes, I will get some help from professionals to make it happen. Yes, I will spend some bucks. But.. first, I have to do something on my own - the tank.

Opinions and tech help appreciated.
Pat

[Tom_T]

Pat - I'm not saying that you suck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) - but you can use the good ole school siphon method with any tubing long enough to let gravity do it's work. Hint - if you use a clear tube, you can stop sucking on it when you see the gas progressing toward you, & once it starts flowing - no need to sit there jiggling the dang thing! Also keep the receptacle into which you're draining at a lower level than the tank bottom to get it all out, but you probably already know all this from your chem lab days!

So no need to go run & get that copper jiggle hose, unless you reeeally want one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[Pat Garvey]

Pat - I'm not saying that you suck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) - but you can use the good ole school siphon method with any tubing long enough to let gravity do it's work. Hint - if you use a clear tube, you can stop sucking on it when you see the gas progressing toward you, & once it starts flowing - no need to sit there jiggling the dang thing! Also keep the receptacle into which you're draining at a lower level than the tank bottom to get it all out, but you probably already know all this from your chem lab days!

So no need to go run & get that copper jiggle hose, unless you reeeally want one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

I'm not concerned about getting the old gas (~4 gallons) out, as what to do with it!
Place I expected to give it to for heating thier shop doesn't want it anymore. Will take my used oil, but no gas anymore.

Any LEGAL suggestions? I don't have a lawnmower, and the gas is too crudded up for that anyway.
Pat

[Tom_T]

Pat - I'm not saying that you suck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) - but you can use the good ole school siphon method with any tubing long enough to let gravity do it's work. Hint - if you use a clear tube, you can stop sucking on it when you see the gas progressing toward you, & once it starts flowing - no need to sit there jiggling the dang thing! Also keep the receptacle into which you're draining at a lower level than the tank bottom to get it all out, but you probably already know all this from your chem lab days!

So no need to go run & get that copper jiggle hose, unless you reeeally want one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

I'm not concerned about getting the old gas (~4 gallons) out, as what to do with it!
Place I expected to give it to for heating thier shop doesn't want it anymore. Will take my used oil, but no gas anymore.

Any LEGAL suggestions? I don't have a lawnmower, and the gas is too crudded up for that anyway.
Pat

Pat - they're so strict out here, that you have only 2 basic choices for spent motor oil & fuel from such work - a regulated haz-mat disposal/recycling service or a service station/shop which takes it in & sends it to their disposal/recycle source. (some are free & other charge in both cases).

It's probably similar back there in Stencil-vania too. Somebody offered to burn it in their truck, but hopefully they filter out the crud & separates off any water that has settled out. Check with your local City/County &/or trash service &/or recycling centers for where you can take it legally. If you want to find out the rules there, then a call to or perusal of the PA-DEQ's website should tell you what the rules are, & may even have a list of "approved" (condoned?) disposal centers in your Silly-delphia area.

Geez - I still have quite a bit to drain out of my tank after 24+ years - wonder what it will look like!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I'd always heard that a full tank with fuel stabilizer was the best way to store it, as that prevented (or reduces) the rust from forming inside the tank & fittings. I hope that's true, cuz that's what I did! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I like Tod's method of pulling the lower hose. I wish they had the lower petcocks to test & drain the fuel in an accessible spot, like they have on aircraft fuel cells.

Hope this helps! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Pat Garvey]

Pat - I'm not saying that you suck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) - but you can use the good ole school siphon method with any tubing long enough to let gravity do it's work. Hint - if you use a clear tube, you can stop sucking on it when you see the gas progressing toward you, & once it starts flowing - no need to sit there jiggling the dang thing! Also keep the receptacle into which you're draining at a lower level than the tank bottom to get it all out, but you probably already know all this from your chem lab days!

So no need to go run & get that copper jiggle hose, unless you reeeally want one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

I'm not concerned about getting the old gas (~4 gallons) out, as what to do with it!
Place I expected to give it to for heating thier shop doesn't want it anymore. Will take my used oil, but no gas anymore.

Any LEGAL suggestions? I don't have a lawnmower, and the gas is too crudded up for that anyway.
Pat

Pat - they're so strict out here, that you have only 2 basic choices for spent motor oil & fuel from such work - a regulated haz-mat disposal/recycling service or a service station/shop which takes it in & sends it to their disposal/recycle source. (some are free & other charge in both cases).

It's probably similar back there in Stencil-vania too. Somebody offered to burn it in their truck, but hopefully they filter out the crud & separates off any water that has settled out. Check with your local City/County &/or trash service &/or recycling centers for where you can take it legally. If you want to find out the rules there, then a call to or perusal of the PA-DEQ's website should tell you what the rules are, & may even have a list of "approved" (condoned?) disposal centers in your Silly-delphia area.

Geez - I still have quite a bit to drain out of my tank after 24+ years - wonder what it will look like!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I'd always heard that a full tank with fuel stabilizer was the best way to store it, as that prevented (or reduces) the rust from forming inside the tank & fittings. I hope that's true, cuz that's what I did! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I like Tod's method of pulling the lower hose. I wish they had the lower petcocks to test & drain the fuel in an accessible spot, like they have on aircraft fuel cells.

Hope this helps! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'll say this right now. StaBil is overrated. In fact, it sucks!
Used it in my former 73T, when parked several years ago. The tank needs to be replaced (a '73 CIS tank new is $1600). The year before, when I put the 914 on stilts I put StaBil in the tank. Now, I'm replacing THAT tank too. True, niether tank was full, but they are both an absolute mess inside. Yep, both tanks are antiques, but StaBil let me down big time! Damned old cars!

BTW, I also wish they had put petcocks on the lines out of the tanks. And, since they are invisible from the outside, I'm working on doing this with the 914.

Planned to start draining the tank yesterday, but another nor'easter blew in. My garages face the NE, so I couldn't do anything about fumes. Project put off until midweek.....hopefully.
Pat