Weight ratio's, Whats heavyer.. the rear or the front? |
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Weight ratio's, Whats heavyer.. the rear or the front? |
Andyrew |
Mar 29 2004, 06:49 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Whats the weight ratio for the 914? 49% front 51% rear? Or what?
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Bleyseng |
Mar 29 2004, 06:50 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
depends on how much gas. 46/54 is what comes to mind.
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URY914 |
Mar 29 2004, 06:53 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,544 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I weighed my car and figured out the ratio back to front but it didn't add up to 100%. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Maybe my car is special, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) I think 49/51 is right if I remember correctly. Ask Dave D., he knows all this kinda stuff Paul |
physician |
Mar 29 2004, 07:14 PM
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still looking for a teener.... Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 19-March 04 From: quebec Member No.: 1,819 |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) probably that famous unsprung weight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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SLITS |
Mar 29 2004, 07:27 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Depends on how heavy your ass is when you sit in it.
(IMG:http://www.rccauto.com/test/bigass.jpg)Mike Z ain't got nutin on this one! |
URY914 |
Mar 29 2004, 07:36 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,544 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
We had a girl in HS that had an ass that big and drove a Spitfire. We use to say she didn't get in it, she put it on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Andyrew |
Mar 29 2004, 07:42 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
So, weight needs to come off the rear for better balance.. correct?
Andrew |
URY914 |
Mar 29 2004, 07:46 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,544 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE So, weight needs to come off the rear for better balance.. correct Do you mean a 914 or the fat ass pictured above? |
jridder |
Mar 29 2004, 08:00 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 136 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 656 |
>So, weight needs to come off the rear for better balance.. correct?
If by better balance, you mean that you want to be able to stick a pipe under the mid point between the front and rear wheels and have the car balance then yes. If you are referring to having the car handle, brake or accelerate better then no. |
ArtechnikA |
Mar 29 2004, 08:19 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Mar 29 2004, 05:42 PM) So, weight needs to come off the rear for better balance.. correct? only if you have that rare all-wheel-drive 914... ask yourself how many races the 917-30 lost with its 33/67 weight distribution... |
mskala |
Mar 29 2004, 09:37 PM
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R Group: Members Posts: 1,925 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 79 Region Association: None |
My -6 measured almost right at 45/55.
The -4 will be closer to 50/50 but not by all that much. |
smg914 |
Mar 29 2004, 10:03 PM
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Sahara Beige Steve Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 1,695 Region Association: None |
Stock '73 2 Liter weight distribution, 46.3% front and 53.7% rear
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john rogers |
Mar 29 2004, 10:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
Remember that is static weight. What happens when the car is going 120 or 130 and you have a spoiler on the front pushing down or a wing on the back pushing down or nothing on the back and that vacuum behind the rear window is trying to suck the car upwards??!! Also a factor is what type of driving or racing is it, a tight auto-x course or a long track such as Willow Springs or CA Speedway where you are on the rev limiter by the start-finish line? Finally, most people don't know what the wheelbase of a 914 is and since it is pretty long some weight in the rear is an advantage I would think. Since I made the six conversion, mine seems to actually turn better in sharp corners than before with the four.....and is more stable at full speed at the CA Speedway turns one and two.
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Andyrew |
Mar 29 2004, 10:15 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Alright guys.. geez, dont bite my head off (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Im was just wondering if it was better to take weight off the front or the rear.. Ie Fiberglass hoods, bumpers.. stuff like that. Andrew |
Brad Roberts |
Mar 29 2004, 10:16 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
John nailed it.
Dont think of the car as if it where sitting on the scales all the time and not moving. When you hit the brakes the car can go 60/40 real quick. I personally want a 40/60 car so the car is balanced under braking and not 80/20 or 20/80 under braking. Basically I want a car that feels stable and not all squirrely under braking. B |
Jeroen |
Mar 30 2004, 07:14 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
So basically what you guys are saying is that you want a 911 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
cheers, Jeroen (ducking for cover) |
Bleyseng |
Mar 30 2004, 07:42 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
except when you hit the brakes in a turn.....ouch!
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KenH |
Mar 30 2004, 10:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 680 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Gilroy, CA Member No.: 156 |
914-4, Roll Bars, Full Gas Tank, 200# Driver
Front = 1040# 44.5% Rear = 1292# 55.4% Corner = 50% Ken |
maf914 |
Mar 30 2004, 12:06 PM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Mar 29 2004, 06:19 PM) ask yourself how many races the 917-30 lost with its 33/67 weight distribution... I saw Mark Donohue in the Sunoco 917/30 lose to George Follmer in the RC Cola 917/10 at Road Atlanta. Of course Donohue had a problem, tire failure I think, while leading, but he did lose. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Mike |
maf914 |
Mar 30 2004, 12:12 PM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Jeroen @ Mar 30 2004, 05:14 AM) So basically what you guys are saying is that you want a 911 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) cheers, Jeroen (ducking for cover) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) There is weight distribution and there is moment of inertia, not to be confused. The latter is what gets the tail draggers into trouble. Mike |
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