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> creating new susp for the monster, going dual A setup front and rear
byndbad914
post Mar 31 2010, 02:19 PM
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Car currently has RSR front struts with custom lower arm setup (sorta like a 935 front end) and the rear is a 5-link setup that is much like any old school 60s-80s open wheel car, GT-40, etc all attached to my tube chassis setup.

Decided I wanted to lower the car more and fix a couple issues with the rear 5-link geom so I started laying out some parts, then decided F it, time for a whole new update (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I can't leave anything alone.

So I measured various available pickup points on the current chassis and whipped up this stuff in Pro/Engineer. The lower A is already a bit different than I have assembled in here, but close enough for convo - and JP was asking to see what I have going - I am sure so he can raz me about whether or not I actually win at DEs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

I used Pro to lay out the geometry so I could measure camber gain, get zero toe positions for the toe link (which will be adjustable in case I want to put some bumpsteer into the rear), RC height and motion, etc.
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Is this perfectly optimal on all points? Hell no, but much better than what I have and works with existing structure - I am not about to really hack into this car. I can get tabs waterjet cut and welded into place, but not bending/notching tubes in my near future. Besides, it leaves me a little bit of excuse for why I am slow on the track cuz it certainly isn't my driving abilities hahaha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

So here is the rear design - it will be built using the stock trailing arm cut down to not much more than a bearing carrier. yeah, yeah, use this other thing, make that, blah blah - the stock rear bearing assy has worked for a few years now so it is fine. I intend to replace that big bearing every few years regardless of upright used anyways.
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I did the same layout stuff for the front and even am going to be able to use the exact same billet lower A front and rear so that is nice. I can have them waterjetted for about $170 each including the 1.5" plate material, so not bad at all.
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I bought a couple front strut housings from Carquip last week and had my machinist buddy endmill out that monster weld so gonna work on getting them apart down to the stock knuckle, then I have 2" diam chromoly I just got yesterday that I will have him machine down to make the front "upright". Note the two surface colors in the above image - the blue is turned down to fit in the knuckle (50mm) and the green is the stock 2" diam of the tubing - that ridge will be used to exactly place the tube relative to the knuckle so I get both spindles left to right in the exact same spot.

The upper forward link will be made on the fly so I didn't bother modeling it. I need to get this stuff in the car with the right pickup points placed, then place some dual adjustable coil over assys which might be tough on the front, then build the forward link around the shock assy. At some point you stop fisting the design and just build it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Being a structural analyst I also have access to finite element code so I fully analyzed the lower A designs (I have 5 of 'em now hahaha) to make sure they are structurally sufficient. If I get off track in a big way I will likely bend them, but that you can't design for without having a 10lb A arm. These are just over 5 lbs per the modeling software.
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byndbad914   creating new susp for the monster   Mar 31 2010, 02:19 PM
byndbad914   second half is up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...   Nov 2 2010, 02:48 PM
J P Stein   Do you have a clutch type LSD?   Nov 2 2010, 09:31 PM
byndbad914   Do you have a clutch type LSD? yep. Ever since ...   Nov 2 2010, 11:35 PM
andys   yep. Ever since I went to LSD from open diff I h...   Nov 3 2010, 11:41 AM
byndbad914   I just want to get it so I can get it loose with ...   Nov 3 2010, 03:07 PM
stewteral   yep. Ever since I went to LSD from open diff I ...   Nov 22 2010, 07:11 PM
J P Stein   As I see it, track cars want a slight bit of under...   Nov 3 2010, 07:07 AM
byndbad914   weather has been in the 50s with no snow, and I wa...   Nov 21 2010, 12:31 AM
J P Stein   I love it when a plan comes together. :D   Nov 21 2010, 08:20 AM
byndbad914   ...well let's hope my future plans have simila...   Nov 22 2010, 01:56 AM
Randal   ...well let's hope my future plans have simil...   Dec 29 2010, 10:52 AM
byndbad914   well, don't know about blowin' off all the...   Nov 23 2010, 12:18 AM
Brett W   What is your ackerman? You can use ackerman to ge...   Nov 23 2010, 10:37 AM
andys   Tim, Thanks for the video; that was fun to watch....   Nov 23 2010, 11:04 AM
ghuff   This 914 > * . Wayne's world not worthy m...   Nov 23 2010, 02:30 PM
byndbad914   thanks ghuff :) I haven't measured the actual...   Nov 23 2010, 11:53 PM
Brett W   You don't want toe in on turn in. That will m...   Nov 24 2010, 09:32 AM
byndbad914   I would agree w/ toe out if the Ackerman is not an...   Nov 24 2010, 11:25 AM
J P Stein   Hay Tim, this is not strictly on topic but I have ...   Nov 27 2010, 09:28 PM
byndbad914   the louvers would be the main source of venting, b...   Nov 28 2010, 05:06 PM
byndbad914   Mine are the "wide" Genesis louvers. ht...   Jan 3 2011, 07:15 PM
byndbad914   little update - swapped the sway bars (thicker wal...   Dec 28 2010, 10:45 PM
andys   little update - swapped the sway bars (thicker wa...   Dec 30 2010, 12:29 PM
byndbad914   I went toe in to reduce the Ackerman in the turns....   Dec 30 2010, 07:45 PM
J P Stein   Tim: A bit off the wall but need to know. How tall...   Jan 1 2011, 10:53 PM
byndbad914   I think the key will be to mount the louvers from ...   Jan 2 2011, 09:29 PM
J P Stein   Thanks. The Sheridan hood is around 3/8" thic...   Jan 2 2011, 09:43 PM
Britain Smith   Thanks for the info, I will get a pair of these on...   Jan 3 2011, 01:39 AM
byndbad914   some good, overall shots of the suspension while I...   Jan 15 2011, 07:08 PM
Krieger   :drooley: :drooley: :drooley: awesome work!   Jan 16 2011, 11:05 AM
jd74914   OH NO....ROD ENDS IN BENDING!! :lol: Jus...   Jan 16 2011, 11:19 AM
byndbad914   yeah, plenty of people like to freak out about rod...   Jan 16 2011, 11:48 AM
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