 Gear grind into 1st & R, Can high idle be the problem |
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| EJP914 |
 May 15 2010, 04:35 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Monroeville, PA Member No.: 821  |
Is there any relationship between idle speed and gear grinding when going into 1st and Reverse? My car idles a little over 1000 rpm and it is now tough getting into 1st when stoppoing at intersection. Makes a hell of a racket.
It never did this before it was put away last yr. Can this grinding be adjusted out by the clutch adjustment? Clutch pedal is pretty soft and mushy. It engages right off the floor. How do you know if clutch tube is broken? Car shifts ok into 2-5 and back down. Is this a synchro problem? Sorry for alll the questions. Just trying to figure out what to look at first. Figured someone out there has run into this already. Thanks |
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| Millerwelds |
May 15 2010, 04:39 PM
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Pleepleus Group: Members Posts: 728 Joined: 24-June 08 From: Grass Valley, CA Member No.: 9,206 Region Association: Northern California |
Adjust the clutch. It sounds like the linkage is a little out of alignment as first and reverse are on the same line. Someone else can jump in on the best way to adjust it. I have always done small adjustments, drive, adjust, etc. until it feels right.
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| Dave_Darling |
May 15 2010, 06:25 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,151 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California 
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The higher idle doesn't do your transmission any favors, but the symptoms point to a clutch that is out of adjustment. And possibly in need of replacement. And/or possibly a clutch tube in need of help.
Look through the holes in the top of the center tunnel (e.g., where the gear shift lever goes through, and where the heater lever was before you removed it to be able to see). Can you see the clutch tube moving from side to side when you push the pedal down? --DD |
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| jt914-6 |
May 15 2010, 06:33 PM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,787 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ May 15 2010, 07:25 PM)  The higher idle doesn't do your transmission any favors, but the symptoms point to a clutch that is out of adjustment. And possibly in need of replacement. And/or possibly a clutch tube in need of help. Look through the holes in the top of the center tunnel (e.g., where the gear shift lever goes through, and where the heater lever was before you removed it to be able to see). Can you see the clutch tube moving from side to side when you push the pedal down? --DD (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I have always found that if you put your car in first gear as you come to a stop (still rolling slowly) it is easier on the tranny than putting it into first gear from a dead stop. Try it and see what you think.... |
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| Dr Evil |
May 16 2010, 12:39 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,038 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Clutch drag due to any of the aforementioned issues. Where in the pushing in of your clutch pedal does the clutch disengage?
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| EJP914 |
May 17 2010, 07:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Monroeville, PA Member No.: 821 |
In response to Dr Evil question, I'm not sure at what point the clutch disengages when pushing it in. Never really thought about it. I'll have to chk that out.
That said, what diff does it make if it disengages at the top of the pedal travel OR just off the floor??? I know it engages right off the floor. Thanks. |
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| mtndawg |
May 18 2010, 01:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Granite Bay, Ca Member No.: 9,985 Region Association: None
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I'm inteterested in comments about this too. I do know that if it engages right off the floor, it's too loose. I have this same thing in my car and mine engages near the top. But I'm going to tighten mine up more so it engages nearer to the top. I think the pedal is supposed to have about 1/2 inch of travel at the top?
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| underthetire |
May 18 2010, 02:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(mtndawg @ May 18 2010, 12:55 PM) I'm inteterested in comments about this too. I do know that if it engages right off the floor, it's too loose. I have this same thing in my car and mine engages near the top. But I'm going to tighten mine up more so it engages nearer to the top. I think the pedal is supposed to have about 1/2 inch of travel at the top? Yep. If it's too close to the floor/cable too loose, it may "seem" like it disengages, but any warp-age at all will cause problems. |
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| Dr Evil |
May 18 2010, 09:36 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,038 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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At the floor = inadequate disengagement. This = drag on the clutch disk and grinding.
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| 914 |
May 19 2010, 07:17 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: 26-December 02 Member No.: 19 Region Association: Southern California
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Guys,
In my four I had the cable replaced with a terry cable,They had to shim the rear fork area w/ many washers,mine disengages almost to the floor,The tube was repaired years ago,Can the terry cable just be too long??The cable goes around the oil filter back side looped if it moves from that position the clutch drops to the floor,That is why I think the cable is Too long.Can you take in more adjustment at the peddle area? To compensate the fork adjustment?? 914 |
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| Dr Evil |
May 19 2010, 12:46 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,038 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Yes, Terry is too long, but easily remedied by inserting a piece of tubing under the adjust nut.
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| 914 |
May 19 2010, 02:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: 26-December 02 Member No.: 19 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ May 19 2010, 11:46 AM) Yes, Terry is too long, but easily remedied by inserting a piece of tubing under the adjust nut. Dr.Evil, Thats where they put about 10 washers still almost to floor,Should I get another cable,Is there a problem with terry cables,Thanks for the reply.. 914 |
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| Dr Evil |
May 19 2010, 02:24 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,038 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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When you get to 4+ washers, it is time to change to a section of tubing. You can use a section of 1"-1.5"(or what ever size you need) tube cut from a cheap stock piece. It will make your clutch completely usable.
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