1st Engine startup. 2.0 Six Top End Refresh, A few questions |
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1st Engine startup. 2.0 Six Top End Refresh, A few questions |
Ericv1 |
Aug 12 2010, 07:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 30-December 07 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 8,518 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
So, tonight I fire up the 2.0L six since last September and it starts within the first five seconds. I adjust the idle to about 1500 rpms (As suggested in Waynes book) and let it run for 23 minutes. After 23 minutes, I adjust the idle down and can hear a NOTICEABLE knocking sound from the top engine compartment on the right hand side. Could this be a loose intake valve? The sound dissappears as I rev the engine. Or, at least I can't hear it as I rev it. Second, my alternator light goes out when the engine is running but remains on when the ignition is turned off with the key out of the ignition. Third, my oil pressure light never went out. I think I can fix this one pretty easily as I may have not wired it correctly. But, I was looking for opinions. In order for the light to work, does the oil temperature sensor need to be wired up? If you can help me with one or all of these issues I would appreciate it. I'm especially concerned about the knocking. Thanks. |
IronHillRestorations |
Aug 12 2010, 08:31 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,716 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
I don't mean to 2nd guess you, but I'd have never run the engine that long with the oil light on.
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orange914 |
Aug 12 2010, 10:24 PM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
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Ericv1 |
Aug 13 2010, 03:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 30-December 07 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 8,518 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I don't mean to 2nd guess you, but I'd have never run the engine that long with the oil light on. did you confirm oil pressure with a mechanical gauge? knock + o.p. light could = problem. No, I pulled the intake valve covers today and cranked the engine and verified there was oil pressure. It was messy, but I didn't have a gauge handy. The oil pressure light is fixed. I installed a dual sending unit and hooked the green/red wire up to the wrong lead. Once I switched the lead it was fine. It now works as it should. The knocking is gone as well. I did a lot of research last night on Pelican and diagnosed it to either a 1. The timing is too advanced causing predetonation. 2. A loose rocker arm in the valve train. 3. A possible piston wrist pin cam out. 4. A small metal object accidentley made it's way into the combustion chamber without me knowing. 5. A dropped valve seat. Since options 3-5 require a complete teardown I focused on 1 and 2. The valves were in spec and my timing was completely off. Once I adjusted my timing, the knock went away. By the way, is there an easier way to time this thing? There's very little clearance to get the timing light down there to see what your doing. I still have the alternator light that comes on when the ignition is turned off. When the car is running, it goes out. The multimeter says the battery is receiving about 13.3 volts. If I disconnect the D+ lead from the rear relay board, the light turns off. I have my B+ blue wire connected to the D+ lead on the relay board. Is this correct? I'm glad I was able to work through some of these bigger concerns without it being a huge issue. Now, I can work on adjusting the carbs. Thanks for the help. |
avidfanjpl |
Aug 13 2010, 04:03 PM
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914 Hemophiliac Group: Members Posts: 720 Joined: 6-April 10 From: Bear, Delaware Member No.: 11,566 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
No way to time it other than the following.
This assumes you are running DJet only and have real points. First, get the cold engine rotated to TDC mark (BIG PITA), then when the lobe has the points open fully, set them at .017, check it several times. That should get your dwell to close to 50 Better if you can check it with a dwell meter. Then reassemble the dizzy. There is a hash mark on the dizzy rim for cyl 1, and that should be pointing toward the drivers seat, roughly. Start the car, and connect your light to cyl 1 wire. Disconnect the retard and advance hoses from the dizzy. This is a must. Get a tach connected and make sure it does 4 cyl engines. Rev it to 3500 and you should see the timing mark march from TDC (a white mark or a O stamped at TDC in the port window) to 27BTDC, a red hash mark in the fan. At 3500, and 27BTDC, to the right of TDC, you are timed by loosening the dizzy bolt and twisting the dizzy SLOWLY to get the red mark nailed in the cutout for the timing marks AT 3500 RPM. Do it again to be sure, then tighten the dizzy, but not too tight, just enough to not move. You should then be able to set idle richness on the ECU about click 11 of 21, and set the overall cold/warm idle with the Throttle body Idle screw. This also assumes you gapped your plugs at .026. Make the idle 950 rpm. No more no less. Make sure your #3 plug wire is NOWHERE near the MPS near the battery tray, or it will ruin acceleration from idle every time. Stuff the wire under the injector tubes. The voltage from the plug wire messed with the coil inside the MPS. Good luck! John |
VaccaRabite |
Aug 13 2010, 04:07 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,442 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
No way to time it other than the following. This assumes you are running DJet only and have real points. Err... its a 2.0 six. I don't think they used DJet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Zach |
avidfanjpl |
Aug 13 2010, 04:42 PM
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914 Hemophiliac Group: Members Posts: 720 Joined: 6-April 10 From: Bear, Delaware Member No.: 11,566 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
MY BAD!
Couldn't remember. The drugs kicked in. Timing a 6 is easier, but the port is mirror friendly only. Thinking of a 6 about now as my 7th teener. Buying a conversion sounds pretty good lately. J |
Ericv1 |
Aug 13 2010, 04:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 30-December 07 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 8,518 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Timing a 6 is easier, but the port is mirror friendly only. Thanks, I would have never thought of the mirror. I'll pick one up tomorrow. It sounds like it may be easier as a two person job. The alternator's still charging at 13.2 volts but the light comes on when I turn the ignition key off. The VR is brand new. Should I be concerned about this? Thanks. |
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