 A First! Internet 914 Concours!, Can it happen! |
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| Pat Garvey |
  Aug 17 2010, 07:24 PM
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Do I or don't I...........?  Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States  |
This topic has been thrown around before. The responses were nil - to none.
Tod914 brought it up again today & I think it has merit. The Worlds First I-Concours for 914's! Could be fun, but we need rules (like pic size, quadrants, classes, etc). Like the idea, but want to hear from the masses. Pat |
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| orthobiz |
Aug 17 2010, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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Cool idea. I live a thousand miles from nowhere. A good way to get together and have fun.
Paul |
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| Gustl |
Aug 17 2010, 10:21 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,497 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria  |
QUOTE(orthobiz @ Aug 18 2010, 02:33 AM)  I live a thousand miles from nowhere. so we might be neighbours ...? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| John |
Aug 18 2010, 11:09 AM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
Save the time and just declare SMG914 the winner.
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| tod914 |
Aug 18 2010, 11:38 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Make Steve one of the Judges (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 18 2010, 06:51 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
I'm not hearing what I want to here! So, I'll repeat (and this will be the last attempt) - how can we pull this off?
What pics do we require? How can we be assured that these pics aren't "shopped"? Who should judge? What are their credentials? Shoule we mandate the size of submitted pics? How many pics, and from what angle should we require? Does Scotty still puke when he chews tobacco? P |
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| 914four |
Aug 18 2010, 09:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 4-March 07 From: Rainbow City, Alabama Member No.: 7,582 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Aug 18 2010, 07:51 PM) I'm not hearing what I want to here! So, I'll repeat (and this will be the last attempt) - how can we pull this off? Pat, The concept of the internet 914 Concourse is interesting but the alteration (touch-up) of photographs might still present a problem. It seems like someone with after market parts might be able to "touch up" the photos to make them appear to be original. Can internet Concourse really work? Kelvin |
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 19 2010, 06:43 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(PH1 @ Aug 18 2010, 09:08 PM) QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Aug 18 2010, 07:51 PM) I'm not hearing what I want to here! So, I'll repeat (and this will be the last attempt) - how can we pull this off? Pat, The concept of the internet 914 Concourse is interesting but the alteration (touch-up) of photographs might still present a problem. It seems like someone with after market parts might be able to "touch up" the photos to make them appear to be original. Can internet Concourse really work? Kelvin Good question Kelvin! Have my doubts, because there is always Photo Shop, et all. If I could get past that, as well as other problems, I'd be all for it. Pat |
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| orthobiz |
Aug 20 2010, 01:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Who would bother to fotoshop a bloody website concours? Surely bad things would happen to such a person long before they fry in hell.
Medium size pictures like on flick'r Maybe establish a 914 group on flick'r As for angles, one of us could have a picture of us taking a picture. Pair the two photos and it should give a good idea for standardization. You're sounding a wee bit impatient, Pat. I'm gonna go clean my car. Paul |
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| PanelBilly |
Aug 20 2010, 03:40 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,804 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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No entry fee, no prize money. I agree why would someone cheat and who cares if they do?
Work through the cars in sections and let's us all vote like a pole. I'd also like a class for unfinished cars as that will allow many more of our members to join in (like me) |
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| tod914 |
Aug 20 2010, 04:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Pat, suggestion, break it down in 2 classes to start. Preservation/original & Restored/modified. That should get a bunch of interest like Billy mentioned. Use a modified pca score sheet & post it, so the people entering know how their cars will be evaluated. Then maybe have a reference car, don't matter whos or what condition.. with detailed shots of all the areas to be shown by each member. Think this pca chapter they judge trunks, engine bay, wheel wells, interior and exterior. You could even go as far as to having a friend come by and pre-judge the car and submit a score sheet. Lots of the hidden areas will be difficult to see dirt/grime etc in photos. I don't think ethics need to be questioned for something that is going to be just for fun. In all the years on here, I can count on one hand, people I wouldn't trust. And, concours thingy like this wouldn't have any relevance. Lots of guys like yourself, Dave Cheek, Don, George, Paul, Tom B, whom done enough events to come up with a good plan to make it enjoyable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| watsonrx13 |
Aug 23 2010, 07:01 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,734 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Plant City, FL Member No.: 312 Region Association: South East States |
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 23 2010, 06:28 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(tod914 @ Aug 20 2010, 04:01 PM) Pat, suggestion, break it down in 2 classes to start. Preservation/original & Restored/modified. That should get a bunch of interest like Billy mentioned. Use a modified pca score sheet & post it, so the people entering know how their cars will be evaluated. Then maybe have a reference car, don't matter whos or what condition.. with detailed shots of all the areas to be shown by each member. Think this pca chapter they judge trunks, engine bay, wheel wells, interior and exterior. You could even go as far as to having a friend come by and pre-judge the car and submit a score sheet. Lots of the hidden areas will be difficult to see dirt/grime etc in photos. I don't think ethics need to be questioned for something that is going to be just for fun. In all the years on here, I can count on one hand, people I wouldn't trust. And, concours thingy like this wouldn't have any relevance. Lots of guys like yourself, Dave Cheek, Don, George, Paul, Tom B, whom done enough events to come up with a good plan to make it enjoyable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Tod, I would say to you...."run with it". It's your baby. I was the Chairman for the '93 Parade Concours. Burned me out! Try a year of prep & finding a venue, then renting carpet, then begging for judges, then finding prep space ........etc. Little sleep & lots of responsibility. Turned out well but burned me out. So, I'm all for this e-concours, so long as you do it. I'm here to moderate. Your game & good luck. Go for it! Pat |
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| tod914 |
Aug 24 2010, 09:20 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Cool deal Pat. Lets see what all of us can come up with and put it together, without making it too complicated. Could be fun. Any suggestions from anyone greatly appreciated. I have a concours event on the 11th of Sept. I'll also run it by the local PCA judges then, for some scoring input and ideas. Pat would you want a new forum here to do this and keep it on the site? Or, would you and Andy prefer we go with a Flick'r account like Paul suggested? Hopefull some of you guys with Judging experience would like to help out as well. Thanks, Tod
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 24 2010, 07:04 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(tod914 @ Aug 24 2010, 09:20 AM) Cool deal Pat. Lets see what all of us can come up with and put it together, without making it too complicated. Could be fun. Any suggestions from anyone greatly appreciated. I have a concours event on the 11th of Sept. I'll also run it by the local PCA judges then, for some scoring input and ideas. Pat would you want a new forum here to do this and keep it on the site? Or, would you and Andy prefer we go with a Flick'r account like Paul suggested? Hopefull some of you guys with Judging experience would like to help out as well. Thanks, Tod Tod, Why don't we keep it private. I can set up a subforum for this purpose. Let's keep it in the family. BTW, happy to help with judging - have a little experience there. LMK |
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| tod914 |
Aug 28 2010, 12:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Stay tuned folks, we're diligently working on it. We'll keep you all posted. Should be about a month before the rough guidelines are set up. Looking at setting up a people's choice catagory for all entrants, a preservation group, and a modified/restored group. Will likely need several judges, so if you have any restoration/judging experience, please let us know. Will also post this in the main forum once everything is set up. Thanks.
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 28 2010, 07:18 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(tod914 @ Aug 28 2010, 12:17 PM) Stay tuned folks, we're diligently working on it. We'll keep you all posted. Should be about a month before the rough guidelines are set up. Looking at setting up a people's choice catagory for all entrants, a preservation group, and a modified/restored group. Will likely need several judges, so if you have any restoration/judging experience, please let us know. Will also post this in the main forum once everything is set up. Thanks. Tod, We did it! Got a subforum created for the event. I didn't have the power, but McMark came through - we HAVE a subforum. Now look guys, this subforum is (and I PROMISED it would be) an event forum. Please din't make an ass of me. Tod914, you are in charge of this subforum, be it official or unofficial. Please keep it on task. I actually begged for it, and promised that we would keep it on topic. All discussions concerning concours prep should be made in the regular )&C forum. The subforum MUST be used for competition only. Those are the rules. If I (or McMark) find topics straying, we WILL either delete or move them. Don't mean to sound nasty, but I begged & pleaded for days for this subforum & promised it would be kept clean to it's purpose. All of you - please don't make an ass of me. It's your show Tod. Be happy to be a judge. Pat |
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 28 2010, 07:38 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(tod914 @ Aug 18 2010, 11:38 AM) Tod, You are now the I-Chairman. I had to jump through hoops to get a subforum created for this purpose. Please keep it on-topic. I WILL remove posts that aren't on-topic (my butt's on the line) It's your show & I'll be happy to be a judge. Pat |
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| tod914 |
Aug 29 2010, 06:49 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Thanks Pat, much appreciated.
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 29 2010, 06:49 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(tod914 @ Aug 29 2010, 06:49 AM) Thanks Pat, much appreciated. Go for it Tod - it's your show! Happy to help, if I can. Let's make this low key and fun. Let's make it an annual event. Pat |
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