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carr914
post Sep 7 2010, 06:03 PM
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The Three Main Players seem to be Rich Johnson, MadDogs, & Patrick Motorsports

I'm loyal to Rich, but would like to hear some opinions

RJ - $450-$500 - Looks Nice and the Motor Mount looks more stout than the others

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MadDogs - $270 - Looks like a knock-off of Rich's, but is $200 cheaper. Looks like you can mount it lower

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Patrick Motorsports $486 - different design. Their former Chrome-Moly bars had some problems with welds & cracking - are these any different

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post Sep 7 2010, 06:24 PM
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I'm a CSOB and I'll probably make my own, plus I have blueprints of an early RJ mount.

My buddy Mike (of Mike's 914, local shop) has installed both types and say's the PM mount is the best and simplest to install. Mike gave me a real crappy copy of an RJ mount but it's too rough for me.

I think they are both good designs, flip a coin.
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post Sep 7 2010, 06:29 PM
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Rich's mount is much better made then Maddogs. Maddogs metal is a thinner gauge, the welds are not as nice ( flux core mig ) The price is reflective of the quality.

DO NOT get me wrong, I am NOT saying the Maddog mount is not good, I am just pointing out why the price difference is. I wouldn't be worried about running the Maddog mount.

I have not had any experience with the Patrick mount
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post Sep 7 2010, 06:40 PM
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Just from the pics the RJ mount looks beefier. Does the price include the goodies pictured? Does Maddog include them also?



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post Sep 7 2010, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(jmill @ Sep 7 2010, 08:40 PM) *

Just from the pics the RJ mount looks beefier. Does the price include the goodies pictured? Does Maddog include them also?


The prices posted in my 1st post include all the goodies
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post Sep 7 2010, 06:45 PM
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I'm using the Rich Johnson mount. Am happy with it. Of course though, it was bought about 14 years ago when the other two weren't made. I did sell a "quick six" mount from Patrick before I ever used it. Sold it to a friend and it cracked on him and had it repaired....Patrick claimed that it was "abused" and didn't warranty it....I also had the four cyl. eng. bar mounts cut off.
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post Sep 7 2010, 06:48 PM
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How do you drop the motor with the Patrick Mount? Are there bolts at each end that thread into the pipe?
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post Sep 7 2010, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(jt914-6 @ Sep 7 2010, 08:45 PM) *

I'm using the Rich Johnson mount. Am happy with it. Of course though, it was bought about 14 years ago when the other two weren't made. I did sell a "quick six" mount from Patrick before I ever used it. Sold it to a friend and it cracked on him and had it repaired....Patrick claimed that it was "abused" and didn't warranty it....I also had the four cyl. eng. bar mounts cut off.


I had a Patrick ChromeMoly Quick bar and never had any problems, but I read about the sad stories. I assume that is why they no longer make it. It was easy to use though. It was also why I asked about their welds & cracking on this newer system.

I have also had one of Rich Johnson's old 914s with the original design mount.
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post Sep 7 2010, 07:03 PM
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The Patrick mount is much better for engine service.
I've used one for 6-7 years now and it is stout

its a wider mounting surface also.
plus it pivots (yes a bolt in each end

At the track one day, we dropped the motor 3-4 times in a single day when we lost a rocker shaft one day...
you can pull the shift linkage, CV's, and build it with enough oil line to allow it to tip. I can prep things in 10 minutes and then loosen my tranny mounts and pivot the motor down enough to pull valve covers below the chassis.... Good for valve adjustments too.

full motor drop is just as easy.
I made a craddle that fits the block so that I can pull the exhaust, CV's, wires, oil line, and then tip the back onto my craddle. I then move the jack to the front, pull the two bolts and lower the front onto the craddle. Then roll it right out.
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post Sep 9 2010, 07:56 AM
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Thanks Brant. What about height issues - I have tall PMO intakes, I'm sure CSI guys would like to know as well

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post Sep 9 2010, 09:12 AM
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I pull my carbs for full removal
but for tipping, I don't have to touch the intake side of things.
I do head bolts, valve adjustment, etc about 6 times a year and often tip.
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post Sep 9 2010, 09:21 AM
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Never liked the RJ mount, and now I don't like the Maddog mount anymore either.

Maddog gave into pressure. He should have left the wiring loom system he had alone.

I've installed 3-4 of his mounts, they are just fine. I would pull the 914 wiring loom out all the way back from the tail lights, install his mount, paint etc. Then pull the wire loom back through the mount.

Try pulling the wire loom through either of those mounts, not gonna happen.

Which would mean good luck if you ever had to service your electrical loom.

Both MD and RJ mounts have so much surface area they dist the torque of even a 250hp engine just fine. T.C., the 2.5 in the blue car was 196hp at the wheels and that had an MD mount.
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post Sep 9 2010, 09:37 AM
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Too bad we have three suppliers making such a limited market part.
Goes back to what I always say, there are many many 914 parts that are needed to be manufactured. Why not spread the wealth and not duplicate what someone is already making unless it is a piece of crap or that that supplier will not sell to you???

We love Rich and Jim and old Mad dog is really trying hard. Rich had it first.
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post Sep 9 2010, 10:46 AM
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My car has the RJ mount and it works great.

It is also included (with WEVO mounts) if someone wants to buy my engine and 914/6 conversion package in the classifieds.

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post Sep 9 2010, 11:54 AM
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I had the Patrick mount in my car and really liked it. Never needed to swing the engine down but it does give you more access to the front of the engine while in the car.
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post Sep 9 2010, 12:30 PM
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RJ mount for me, top quality and large surface area ...

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post Sep 9 2010, 06:38 PM
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I have a RJ mount in my car with my 3.2. Great guy, great product, great service, couldn't be happier. I also have his Boxster brake mounts front and rear. Very nice upgrade. The brakes are super quiet and have a firm pedal with my 19mm master cylinder. Couldn't be happier with his products and service. I have also used Patrick Motorsports products and have had awesome service and support from Jim Patrick. I'm just not familiar with his mount. If I was installing a 3.6 motor I would be very curious if his tilt mount would help with changing the bottom plugs. I am curious if this is a problem with the RJ mount.
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post Sep 9 2010, 06:54 PM
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T.C. when you helped me install the 3.0 you may not have noticed that the engine mount I had was a Rich Johnson mount. I have not been exposed to the others in your question but I will say the RJ mount is a very stout unit. Rich provided excellent 911 sport mounts with the kit and I can't imagine anyone having a better engineered unit. And with the additional parts that Rich provides for the 914's I see no reason to shop elsewhere.
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post Sep 9 2010, 07:08 PM
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It's a good idea to use the same sport motor mounts for the gearbox also.
That way the torque twist is not absorbed by the tranny sections.

Also make sure your crossmember is not rusted ! Mine is a RJ.
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post Sep 9 2010, 07:26 PM
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For Tranny mounts I like the Wevos

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