 Deja Vu All Over Again! - VW-Porsche JV's, New talk about a joint small Porsche with VW |
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| Tom_T |
 Sep 23 2010, 11:33 PM
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TMI....  Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California 
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Read here & feel it happening all over again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100922/CARNEWS/100929978 Maybe it will look less 356-ish & more 914-ish like this "Artist's Deception" sketch - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| VaccaRabite |
Sep 24 2010, 09:45 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,445 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| smontanaro |
Sep 24 2010, 10:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 3-June 05 From: Evanston, IL Member No.: 4,197 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Zach,
What does "WTLY" mean? I googled for its definition and was told it is a "hot adult contemporary radio station in the Tallahassee, Florida, market," which I suspect is not what you meant when you used it. S |
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| jsayre914 |
Sep 24 2010, 10:22 AM
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Speed Up !!! Group: Members Posts: 3,188 Joined: 10-February 08 From: Timonium MD 21093 Member No.: 8,696 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(smontanaro @ Sep 24 2010, 12:19 PM)  Zach, What does "WTLY" mean? I googled for its definition and was told it is a "hot adult contemporary radio station in the Tallahassee, Florida, market," which I suspect is not what you meant when you used it. S (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Sep 24 2010, 10:31 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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The big question for me would be if the car will be an affordable entry level car. Porsche will have to sell a lot more of them to make the same profit from selling 911's and other higher end cars. There have been rumors about a car like this for a long time.
WYHXKLM (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
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| Root_Werks |
Sep 24 2010, 10:34 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,321 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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| VaccaRabite |
Sep 24 2010, 10:59 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,445 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(smontanaro @ Sep 24 2010, 11:19 AM) Zach, What does "WTLY" mean? I googled for its definition and was told it is a "hot adult contemporary radio station in the Tallahassee, Florida, market," which I suspect is not what you meant when you used it. S Ha! WTLY is a derivative of the internet slang "WTLW" which means "Welcome To Last Week" and is commonly used to pwn newbs in faster moving forums. Replace "week" with "year." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) Now you know. So when Scotty eventually posts the following image in one of his threads you can totally pwn him! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/pointlessbanter.net-1435-1285347546.1.jpg) Zach |
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| Drums66 |
Sep 24 2010, 11:29 AM
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914 Rudiments Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 24 2010, 09:34 AM) Tom T.......this thread or 1 similar was talked about mths ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) .....so I agree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif) |
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| nathansnathan |
Sep 24 2010, 11:45 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 31-May 10 From: Laguna Beach, CA Member No.: 11,782 Region Association: None |
That artist's rendition looks exactly like a Toyota MR2?
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.mr2spyderforum.com-11782-1285350302.1.jpg) |
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| Tom_T |
Sep 24 2010, 12:50 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Yes, but last year & previous to that, VW didn't own Porsche, & AW is updating in the linked article that VW is now talking about reopening the BlueSport based model from which the concept sketch by the MT/"arteeest" was originally based originally printed/online in 9/09 - FWIW.
You guys actually have to READ the linked article for the update post to make sense! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) However, what I found interesting is that it's once again a joint VW-Porsche product which their talking about to help bail out Porsche's flagging sales on the Boxster/Cayman & 911/et al higher end lines. In fact, if you look at 2008 - 10 - it's their "other" joint product - the Toureg/Cayenne which is keeping sales numbers afloat, with only the Panamera adding significantly to total sales this year. Ergo, "Deja vu all over again"! .... which fans of George Carlin & old fartz like me will recognize as a phrase which is repetitively redundant! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Elliot - regardless of profit margins - if ANY auto mfgr cannot meet the new more restrictive/higher mpg CAFE standards, then they'll be relegated to a minuscule production no. as a specialty maker only - & Porsche is way too big for that, & won't make it with their few specialty hybrids (918, GT2 Hybrid, etc.). Ergo, they basically have to come out with something at the low end which gets high mpg to pull the total fleet's production up to the new CAFE standard by 2015 IIRC, & it won't average across all of VW's subsidiaries, but rather per each maker. So Porsche has to do something to get into CAFE compliance, & VW is now pushing for adaptation of a model they already have on the boards & out. |
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| Tom_T |
Sep 24 2010, 12:56 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Drums66 @ Sep 24 2010, 10:29 AM) QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 24 2010, 09:34 AM) Tom T.......this thread or 1 similar was talked about mths ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) .....so I agree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif) BTW - there have probably been a dozen threads which I've seen on this subject since I joined the mayhem here last year, sooooo.......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) Don't shoot the messenger, go post at AW on their reader comments! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Sep 24 2010, 01:00 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Sep 24 2010, 09:59 AM) QUOTE(smontanaro @ Sep 24 2010, 11:19 AM) Zach, What does "WTLY" mean? I googled for its definition and was told it is a "hot adult contemporary radio station in the Tallahassee, Florida, market," which I suspect is not what you meant when you used it. S Ha! WTLY is a derivative of the internet slang "WTLW" which means "Welcome To Last Week" and is commonly used to pwn newbs in faster moving forums. Replace "week" with "year." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) Now you know. So when Scotty eventually posts the following image in one of his threads you can totally pwn him! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/pointlessbanter.net-1435-1285347546.1.jpg) Zach Glad you clarified that Zach! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Also - that pic reminds me of when Johnny Carson asked Arnold Palmer if he did anything special before golf tournaments, Palmer replied that he had his wife "kiss his balls", to which Carson barely responded while cracking-up - I'll bet that makes your putter stand up! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (I'm paraphrasing it all here) Arnold got pissed & wouldn't come on the show for some time too - no sense of humor nor of irony, like some folks today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| Root_Werks |
Sep 24 2010, 01:01 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,321 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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This conversation has been going on since...1993 when they first showed the prototype 986.
"It's gonna have a VW-flat 4 and a Porsche Flat 6, sweet!" Not ever going to happen again. Porsche learned its lessons with the 914, 924 etc. |
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| montoya 73 2.0 |
Sep 24 2010, 01:30 PM
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Lack of consideration to others, and Selfish! Group: Members Posts: 1,791 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Paso Robles, Ca. Member No.: 3,016 Region Association: Central California |
I don't think it will happen either but if by chance it does, low to mid 20K is about where I would SERIOUSLY think about buying one!
By chance, has anyone seen the "New" Speedster Porsche is going to build? Only 356 of them will be available. |
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| Tom_T |
Sep 24 2010, 01:40 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(nathansnathan @ Sep 24 2010, 10:45 AM) That artist's rendition looks exactly like a Toyota MR2? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.mr2spyderforum.com-11782-1285350302.1.jpg)  Well, not exactly, but similar! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) .... can you spot the differences with the pix side-by-side Nathan? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ....... (top-to-bottom - for the nit pickers) Hint - the big one is the 914-esque integral rollbar with indents for the removable targa top. But then, it's not a Porsche nor VW design study, & other concept sketches by outsiders have looked more like a "baby boxster" in styling - so it's all conjecture! Here's links to the original articles also showing the VW BlueSport concept sketch: http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_ve..._914/index.html http://www.automotive.com/future-cars/90/8...-914/index.html Old news has a way of repetitively repeating itself! .... oooops! there I go again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Maybe someone else has the link or a pic of the actual BlueSport model to post? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Root & Montoya - My guess would be probably mid-20's to mid-30's for a 4 & mid-30's to mid-40's or low-50's for the 6 (about where the base Boxster 6 started initially). Also my guess is that Porsche has to come out with something with high mpg & high enough sales volume to offset all the other pricier cars they want to continue to sell - even if it's a thin margin, because it allows them to continue to sell high margin but lower mpg P-cars! It's almost like a 2-fer deal when it comes to marketing them. Time will tell - maybe by early 2011?? ... whoda thunk they'd announce the 918 going into production mid-2010!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| johannes |
Sep 24 2010, 01:50 PM
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Club Porsche 914 France President Group: Members Posts: 3,084 Joined: 13-January 06 From: France Member No.: 5,409 Region Association: France |
Deja vu ... I like it when you use french words ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
And now the way to pronounce it right ... ... 
Deja_vu.mp3 ( 11.19k )
Number of downloads: 200 |
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| Tom_T |
Sep 24 2010, 02:12 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(johannes @ Sep 24 2010, 12:50 PM) Deja vu ... I like it when you use french words ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And now the way to pronounce it right ... ...
Deja_vu.mp3 ( 11.19k )
Number of downloads: 200Oui, oui!!!! ..... (pronounced wee-wee (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) 4 years of high school French classes 40-44 years ago Johannes, & I can't remember much more than that - dang half-zymers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Hey - I've gotten lots of compliments on those "Comin-n-Goin" t-shirts & hoodies you did for me! One USC & 356 guy swears he's going to get cardinal red/gold 356 ones from you too, after seeing that color combo on my 914 one. You guys should check out Johannes' stuff - really nice quality & graphics, & he may even have free shipping for members going on! |
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| bandjoey |
Sep 25 2010, 12:03 AM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
It's the 911 speedster instead. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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