 Bee Jay's 914-six Conversion, The car just burned down! |
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| Bee Jay |
 Oct 19 2010, 10:21 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964  |
I'm baaaack.
Hi everybody. Maybe some of your remember me. I was very active on the 914 forums about ten years ago. I rebuilt my 1.7 fi 73 914 into a Dell Orto carbed, high compression, big cammed, 2.0 liter. Tom Gould, Wayne Dempsey, and I built the motor in Wayne's Manhattan Beach apartment garage. Gill Paszek helped me with the five lug conversion, and numerous other projects like a passenger footwell sub woofer. I also mounted BMW 320i front brakes, thru the body roll bars, and fuchs replicas. I had the engine compartment and body painted Gaurds Red. John Larson of West Coast Garage rebuilt my 901 tranny and helped me keep the car running, cause I drove it like I stole it. Driving the car was a blast for the past ten years. I blew the engine twice, once with a blown head gasket, and another dropped valve seat, (my second). EMS wanted $800 to fix the head this time, so I decided it's time. I've been wanting to do the six conversion for over ten years, so I'm finally going to do it. I actually started a few months ago. I thought I should do a conversion thread. Six conversion threads used to be very plentiful, but I don't see so many anymore. I would appreciate links, cause I'm gonna need a lot of information, advice, and of course, parts. Here is the car now, well I've removed the 2.0 liter motor. Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287548516.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287548517.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287548517.3.jpg) |
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| Bee Jay |
Oct 19 2010, 10:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
I bought this 82 911 3.0liter CIS motor from a friend. Needs cleaning and a few missing parts.
Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287550751.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287550752.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287550753.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287550754.4.jpg) |
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| curt914 |
Oct 19 2010, 11:09 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Lompoc, Ca Member No.: 1,757 Region Association: None |
Bee Jay
This is Curt in Lompoc, actually VV. I met you once at your house but was never able to find it again. I own Surgi's silver 914 2.0. Will have to get directions again in the near future and stop by to re-introduce myself. But tell me, who painted your car? I was impressed when I saw it a few years ago and now impressed once again in the photos you posted tonight. Anyway...good luck with the conversion. Would love to do that myself. OMG... the sound of those things. OK....back to the request for conversion threads. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Curt |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 19 2010, 11:47 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,602 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
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Welcome back that is! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Here's a link to my conversion thread. A long read but you might find a couple of good ideas in there ... http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=44700 A 3.0L is a great engine for a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) |
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| moparrob |
Oct 20 2010, 12:28 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
Hey Bee Jay,
I'm knee deep in my own 914-6 conversion and have done a lot of research since May, when I bought my 914-6 GT replica without an engine. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i954.photobucket.com-11663-1287556107.1.jpg) I'm not sure how much you already know, so forgive me if you are already aware of most of this. BTW - mine is a '78 big port 3.0 engine very similar to yours. The first thing I did was ditched the fuel injection, because it is a royal pain to get the CIS to fit under the hood (its too tall). Go with Webers for ease of installation. You'll need an engine mount. I bought the Rich Johnson one and am very happy with the selection. Its very easy to mount. You'll need an oil tank for the rear fender. Originals are $1,000, copies a bit less. You'll need to plumb a front oil cooler with lines also. You'll need to re-do your 3.0 engine wiring loom after discarding the CIS portion of the harness. You'll need a conversion clutch package from Kennedy or Patrick Motorsports. New throttle cable for carbs. If you end up putting Turbo valve covers on the engine (recommended) you'll need to machine some of the ribs off so you can adjust the valves without dropping the engine. You'll need 914-6 conversion headers. I used MSDS from Marty Schneider and had them ceramic coated. If you have the need and $ go with SSI heat exchangers (1 5/8 diameter). Don't forget a muffler. You'll need to install a front oil cooler and lines, plus a rear oil thermostat, to ensure you don't cook your engine. You'll need to change your tach to a 6 cylinder tach. That's all I can think of right now, but it is late... Oh, and you'll need the 914-6 specific engine sheet metal. Good luck with the project. Rob |
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| carr914 |
Oct 20 2010, 07:20 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,049 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States  |
Welcome Back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
I've done a bunch of Conversions, so I will watch your thread and chime in occasionally. I'm doing a conversion right now - I decided to go with the Patrick Bulkhead mount for a couple reason, but most importantly because you can swivil the motor down. This was important for me as mine is a Twin-Plug and I can't get to the middle spark-plug on the passenger side. Good Luck with your project T.C. |
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| JmuRiz |
Oct 20 2010, 08:44 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,421 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Wow, been a LONG time since I've seen you on the board, welcome back and welcome to the conversion-in-progress group (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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| shoguneagle |
Oct 20 2010, 09:39 AM
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shoguneagle Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 3-January 03 From: CA, OR, AZ (CAZOR); New Mexico Member No.: 84 Region Association: Northern California |
Great looking car. I have info somewhere around the house involving my conversion which is 1987 Carrera 3.2 with Motronics injection. I will see what threads I have regarding conversions per se. Andy's is one of the best overall and great for the 3.6.
I will follow your conversion with great interest. Rich Johnson, Perry Kiehl, Andy, and many others are great sources of information and experience. Rich Johnson equipment is what I have used on my conversion: throttle linkage, front mount, etc. Steve Hurt |
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| gothspeed |
Oct 20 2010, 10:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,539 Joined: 3-February 09 From: SoCal Member No.: 10,019 Region Association: None |
This project looks like it will turn out quite nicely ........ I will follow the progress as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)!!!
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| patssle |
Oct 20 2010, 12:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 28-August 09 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 10,741 Region Association: None |
This thread certainly interests me as well, I have a '81 3.0L that has a date with destiny too: My 914. Looking forward to watching your progress!
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| Bee Jay |
Oct 20 2010, 01:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
Here are some of the conversion parts I've accumulated over the last ten years.
Velios Oil tank and lines (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287604763.1.jpg) I forgot whose motor mounts (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287604765.2.jpg) Engine tin (fiberglass) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287604766.3.jpg) 1 1/2" headers with 2" collectors that I got from Wayne Dempsey at Pelican Parts. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287605776.1.jpg) |
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| gothspeed |
Oct 20 2010, 02:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,539 Joined: 3-February 09 From: SoCal Member No.: 10,019 Region Association: None |
Cool parts!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
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| moparrob |
Oct 20 2010, 05:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the engine oil cooler with the 90 degree bend...
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| Bee Jay |
Oct 20 2010, 07:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
QUOTE(moparrob @ Oct 20 2010, 04:35 PM)  Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the engine oil cooler with the 90 degree bend... You mean like this. I bought a brand new 911 oil cooler from Tom Gould at TC's garage, and John Larson had it modified at some secret location. Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287624075.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287624076.2.jpg) |
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| rick 918-S |
Oct 20 2010, 08:34 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,406 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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| carr914 |
Oct 20 2010, 08:44 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,049 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Bee Jay @ Oct 20 2010, 09:21 PM) QUOTE(moparrob @ Oct 20 2010, 04:35 PM) Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the engine oil cooler with the 90 degree bend... You mean like this. I bought a brand new 911 oil cooler from Tom Gould at TC's garage, and John Larson had it modified at some secret location. Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287624075.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287624076.2.jpg) I need a TC's Garage Sticker for my Snap=On Box |
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| Bee Jay |
Oct 24 2010, 08:41 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
This is from another thread that I thought should also be part of this one. Someone is going to be stupid enough, I mean ambitious enough to try this again, and I want to be as much help as possible.
Bee Jay I pulled my CIS stuff out last night to start cleaning and reassembling. What a mess, old mess at that. Then I went to bed thinking about it. I'm going to need a CIS brain, ($300 no core), a CDI ($300 no core), A CIS fuel pump ($200), a $200-$300 wire harness rework, and whatever else is missing or not working. I'm thinking to heck with it. Just get some carbs, and they look way cooler. I already have a good carb fuel pump (Carter), a good MSD box for ignition, and no Brain or CDI needed. I really wanted fi, but really want to be driving my 914 by next summer, and still have a little gas money. I'm going to have a long conversation with Perry and the Captain, John Larson to see what they think. Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287861596.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287861597.2.jpg) |
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| Bee Jay |
Oct 24 2010, 09:16 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
Here are a few things I got done this summer. I had the alternator overhauled, the headers Jet Hot coated, and the fan, fan housing, and valve covers powder coated. Check it out.
Bee Jay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976596.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976597.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976598.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976598.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976600.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976601.6.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i52.photobucket.com-3964-1287976602.7.jpg) |
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| mepstein |
Oct 24 2010, 09:24 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,220 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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How do you determine if you have to shave the ribs down on the valve covers? Seems like some people do and some dont.
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| IronHillRestorations |
Oct 25 2010, 06:57 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,713 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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You do have to shave the ribs on the turbo lower covers. You can either take off some right where they interfere, or take some off all the ribbed surface, which is what I do. I just take them to a machine shop that has a surfacing sander (basically a huge industrial belt sander) and have 5/16" taken off.
The problem isn't installing the engine, it's taking the lower covers off for valve adjustments, if you don't remove some material, they won't come off the engine as they hit the inner suspension fastener. |
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