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| mepstein |
 Nov 20 2010, 07:17 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting  Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 07:18 PM)  ebay is your friend! Last year I bought a very nice Eberspacher BL1C for $500 on ebay from Germany. The heat that it delivers it AWESOME!!!! Did you put it in your 914? |
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| patssle |
Nov 20 2010, 07:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 28-August 09 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 10,741 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 04:18 PM) ebay is your friend! Last year I bought a very nice Eberspacher BL1C for $500 on ebay from Germany. The heat that it delivers it AWESOME!!!! I looked at ebay a while ago, I'm not sure I feel real comfortable buying a 30/40 year old gas heater. Then also mounting such an old device near the gas tank. Unless I can find some of the newer one's on there. |
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| aircooledtechguy |
Nov 20 2010, 07:41 PM
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The Aircooledtech Guy Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Cheapsnake @ Nov 20 2010, 05:03 PM) Had a gas heater in a 66 bus, heated fine when it worked. However, it apparently didn't have the preignition "purge" cycle, whereby raw gas fumes are vented before it lit off. One of my greatest delights came when I started the engine after the heater had run for awhile and shut off. Every now and then it would ignite the raw gas with a blast that sounded like a 30-06 going off in your ear, with a ball of flame to match. Since this was a standalone unit its output was directed right at the passenger's feet. In this case, it just so happened to be my girlfriend's/wife's feet. It always caught her by surprise and freaked her out, swore she'd never ride in that POS again. At least, that's what I think she said, hard to say since I was laughing too hard to make her words out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Tom The type you had under the dash of a bus was the Stewart Warner. As I said, no safety devices on those and could be quite dangerous. Those don't even compare to the German-made Eberspacher. A properly calibrated Eberspacher is like a Swiss watch when it runs. |
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| rtalich |
Nov 20 2010, 07:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 6,913 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 20 2010, 05:17 PM) QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 07:18 PM) ebay is your friend! Last year I bought a very nice Eberspacher BL1C for $500 on ebay from Germany. The heat that it delivers it AWESOME!!!! Did you put it in your 914? Yes. QUOTE(patssle @ Nov 20 2010, 05:19 PM) QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 04:18 PM) ebay is your friend! Last year I bought a very nice Eberspacher BL1C for $500 on ebay from Germany. The heat that it delivers it AWESOME!!!! I looked at ebay a while ago, I'm not sure I feel real comfortable buying a 30/40 year old gas heater. Then also mounting such an old device near the gas tank. Unless I can find some of the newer one's on there. Yeah... there's no way I'd use a 30/40 year old GASOLINE heater period! The one I got is only a few years old. The new/modern ones are VERY awesome. German made (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| mepstein |
Nov 20 2010, 08:01 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Pics, Info? thanks, mark
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| cary |
Nov 20 2010, 08:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 05:56 PM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 20 2010, 05:17 PM) QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 07:18 PM) ebay is your friend! Last year I bought a very nice Eberspacher BL1C for $500 on ebay from Germany. The heat that it delivers it AWESOME!!!! Did you put it in your 914? Yes. QUOTE(patssle @ Nov 20 2010, 05:19 PM) QUOTE(rtalich @ Nov 20 2010, 04:18 PM) ebay is your friend! Last year I bought a very nice Eberspacher BL1C for $500 on ebay from Germany. The heat that it delivers it AWESOME!!!! I looked at ebay a while ago, I'm not sure I feel real comfortable buying a 30/40 year old gas heater. Then also mounting such an old device near the gas tank. Unless I can find some of the newer one's on there. Yeah... there's no way I'd use a 30/40 year old GASOLINE heater period! The one I got is only a few years old. The new/modern ones are VERY awesome. German made (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) I had the same feeling .................... Here's the new company. http://www.espar.com/documents/product_catalogue.pdf They use them on big rigs. Looks like theres two dealers here in North Portland. I'm building a daily driver for here in Portland. If the dual blowers don't cut it. I'm going to go out and chat with them. |
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| rtalich |
Nov 20 2010, 08:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 6,913 Region Association: None |
Here's the installation manual. Contains lots of good info.
Seems as thoough I can't add the attachement... here's a link to it. http://www.eberspacher.com/downloads/techn...C_technical.pdf |
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| jk76.914 |
Nov 20 2010, 09:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 809 Joined: 12-April 05 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 3,925 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Drums66 @ Nov 20 2010, 01:17 PM) .....Corvair too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)(& when it stops working....guess what you smell!) Corvair used a gas heater made by Stewart-Warner. For the first year, 1960, it was the ONLY heater available. Beginning in 1961 either the direct air heater or gasoline heater could be ordered. I think the last year for the gas heater option on the cars was 1962, though it soldiered on for the rest of the truck production (through 1965). Pic below is from the 1961 shop manual-  |
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| bmtrnavsky |
Nov 22 2010, 10:40 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 20-October 07 From: Longview, TX Member No.: 8,245 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(realred914 @ Nov 20 2010, 12:36 PM) one kept me warm all thru Alaska. nice heaters, really hot ticket to get. Seems like it would be a nice thing to have if you lost the HE for a tuned exhaust. IS there still a good source for these? |
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| r_towle |
Nov 29 2013, 10:11 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,564 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Bump to top
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| sixnotfour |
Nov 29 2013, 10:25 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,411 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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| Mark Henry |
Nov 29 2013, 11:00 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Thinking of doing one, I'm too old for no heat.
For the modern unit, if you are willing to install a small tank for diesel, truck espar bunk heaters are often cheap on kijiji/craigslist. |
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| lonewolfe |
Nov 29 2013, 11:16 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 819 Joined: 12-September 11 From: Oakland, CA Member No.: 13,549 Region Association: Northern California |
I've been wanting one of these Espars for my 914 for some time. I have never been able to find any good information on how to install one in a 914. They are the ideal solution for those of us that want to run headers. For me, heat is desired. I'd like to build a 2270cc motor but don't wan't to give up my heat and don't want to run heat exchangers on a 2270. I've been thinking a 2056 is about a big as I can go using my SSI heat exchangers. Jake said you can run heat exchangers on a 2270 but you give up quite a bit of power and the motor will run pretty hot. Sounds like a bad idea. I'd love to know if any of you guys have successfully run SSI's anything larger than a 2056. Anyone?
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| lonewolfe |
Nov 29 2013, 11:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 819 Joined: 12-September 11 From: Oakland, CA Member No.: 13,549 Region Association: Northern California |
I've been wanting one of these Espars for my 914 for some time. I have never been able to find any good information on how to install one in a 914. They are the ideal solution for those of us that want to run headers. For me, heat is desired. I'd like to build a 2270cc motor but don't wan't to give up my heat and don't want to run heat exchangers on a 2270. I've been thinking a 2056 is about a big as I can go using my SSI heat exchangers. Jake said you can run heat exchangers on a 2270 but you give up quite a bit of power and the motor will run pretty hot. Sounds like a bad idea. I'd love to know if any of you guys have successfully run SSI's anything larger than a 2056. Anyone?
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| Mark Henry |
Nov 29 2013, 11:35 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(lonewolfe @ Nov 29 2013, 12:18 PM) I've been wanting one of these Espars for my 914 for some time. I have never been able to find any good information on how to install one in a 914. They are the ideal solution for those of us that want to run headers. For me, heat is desired. I'd like to build a 2270cc motor but don't wan't to give up my heat and don't want to run heat exchangers on a 2270. I've been thinking a 2056 is about a big as I can go using my SSI heat exchangers. Jake said you can run heat exchangers on a 2270 but you give up quite a bit of power and the motor will run pretty hot. Sounds like a bad idea. I'd love to know if any of you guys have successfully run SSI's anything larger than a 2056. Anyone? I run a VW bus with a 2.0 type one (so thats 400cc bigger than stock) with heater boxes with no issues. Also buses tend to run hot, but I'm not having problems. As long as you jet it so your AFR is correct I can't see it running hot, you will give up some power. My guesstamation is if the engine would have been 160hp you would still have 130-140hp. Not too shabby. Make the SSI fit header stubs and swap them out with a header in the summer. |
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| dr.tim |
Nov 29 2013, 11:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 17-December 11 From: Butte, America Member No.: 13,907 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Has anyone been successful with an electric heater? Poking around recently, I found this:
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/usa-made-1...ted-heater.html It is probably to much of a load for the original 914 alternator, but for those with late -6 conversions would it be feasible? It seems compact enough to fit behind the fuel tank. |
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| lonewolfe |
Nov 29 2013, 12:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 819 Joined: 12-September 11 From: Oakland, CA Member No.: 13,549 Region Association: Northern California |
Hey Mark Henry!
Hey Mark! Thanks for the reply! That's a great suggestion about adapting the SSI's to fit the stub pipes. I have a nice new set of European Racing headers that I had ceramic coated inside and out that have been sitting on the shelf for the last year while I've been trying to decide which direction to go with the engine build. I also have a practically new set of SSI's that have only 200 miles on them. I was thinking that heat was not a big deal but I wasn't thinking of my better half when I came up with that. If I were the only one enjoying the car it would not have heat and would probably require ear plugs for extended driving. LOL! |
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| Tilly74 |
Nov 29 2013, 12:28 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 96 Joined: 5-June 12 From: Springfield, MO Member No.: 14,522 Region Association: None |
They make new ones for tractor trailer sleepers. Do an ebay search for "bunk heater" or click the link below:
Ebay Bunk Heater |
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| boxsterfan |
Nov 29 2013, 12:49 PM
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914's are kewl Group: Members Posts: 1,776 Joined: 6-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 791 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(dr.tim @ Nov 29 2013, 09:53 AM) Has anyone been successful with an electric heater? Poking around recently, I found this: http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/usa-made-1...ted-heater.html It is probably to much of a load for the original 914 alternator, but for those with late -6 conversions would it be feasible? It seems compact enough to fit behind the fuel tank. Yeah, I have always wanted to figure out if I could out electric heat in. Seems like this unit described here wants 40 AMPS (or a 50 AMP unit is also available) so you are going to need a higher output alternator. Of course, higher output alternator will take away some HP from your rear wheels. Trade-offs.... I think you can get the stock alternator redone to 90 AMPS or possibly a VW Bus alternator can be used... |
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| lonewolfe |
Nov 29 2013, 01:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 819 Joined: 12-September 11 From: Oakland, CA Member No.: 13,549 Region Association: Northern California |
This electric heater looks like it might be an option to consider. It would probably be mounted in the engine bay and run into the heater flapper boxes just like we run air from the fan to the stock heater ducting. it could also be mounted in the front trunk which would probably loose less heat than putting it into the back. The price is not bad either! Has anyone tried a heater like this in their 914? I never realized a higher amp alternator caused a power drain on a motor. Is this because of higher resistance to turn the pully?
QUOTE(boxsterfan @ Nov 29 2013, 10:49 AM) QUOTE(dr.tim @ Nov 29 2013, 09:53 AM) Has anyone been successful with an electric heater? Poking around recently, I found this: http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/usa-made-1...ted-heater.html It is probably to much of a load for the original 914 alternator, but for those with late -6 conversions would it be feasible? It seems compact enough to fit behind the fuel tank. Yeah, I have always wanted to figure out if I could out electric heat in. Seems like this unit described here wants 40 AMPS (or a 50 AMP unit is also available) so you are going to need a higher output alternator. Of course, higher output alternator will take away some HP from your rear wheels. Trade-offs.... I think you can get the stock alternator redone to 90 AMPS or possibly a VW Bus alternator can be used... |
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