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> Shall I say...SIX?, costs, plus' and minus' of conversion
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post Apr 23 2004, 11:40 PM
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Add to the list some kind of external oil cooler (depending on the engine, application and climate) and very likely "some" work on the Webers even if the engine is sound.

Also, think about stuff like CV's and axles as your ancient original ones could give up the ghost quickly when asked to transmit 2-3X the torque of a stock 4-banger.

And all the stuff you would do on any -4 or -6 car being upgraded becomes all the more important with a high-perf project -- fuel lines, brakes, suspension, steering, lights/electrical, etc.

Basically, take nothing for granted and assume the worst case i.e. that EVERYTHING on the car will need to be checked and refurbed or replaced. If you happen to luck out in certain areas, then great. Better to have "positive" surprises than negative ones...why do you think so many incomplete six conversion projects end up for sale? Unrealistic expectations going in... I thought I would have my car "done" in a year; no dice, it will be more like 2 1/2 years before it is at a reasonable doneness state per my original vision. I was not too delusional on costs as I had the BTDT factor to go by (plus stories from this board and others.)

To echo the usual advice, if you can find a car that is already "close" to what you want to end up with (and have cash to fund it all at once) then BUY IT as you virtually always come out waaaay ahead.
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post Apr 24 2004, 02:14 PM
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Excellant advice and thanks for all the details. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

I will see the motor this week and so will you. ( pics coming )

As for the costs... I am one resourceful fellow.
Just so happens, a VERY qualified, self-employed mechanic with a shop to die for, in his backyard, with a lift, ten minutes from home, needs a bathroom tile job. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) hmmmmm.

I might even make money doing this.

I figure, I could do this for cost of parts alone.
As for time...I WILL not start until all parts are in hand/view.

This is me " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ".

All goes well, this " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif) "...oh, yes.
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post Apr 24 2004, 02:41 PM
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All right.

DIY, 4-5K which, with some careful shopping, would even include a good external cooler. I ain't one much for "letting" anyone else work on my car....much less paying for it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

As for the rest of the "stuff", you can easily double that, but you didn't ask that question (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Get some "specs" on that motor & report back. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)
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post May 26 2004, 09:00 PM
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O.K.

everyone's been too busy.

This saturday is supposed to be the look see.
I'm taking the camera, getting engine # and I will show you the pics. Sorry for the wait!
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post May 27 2004, 07:36 AM
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I've been trying to get this 6 conv. done for about 3 years off and on (trying to keep some sort of normal life (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) along with working many hours a week) and here is what I've seen so far. Total cost of the project so far is $10,887.01. This doesn't include the cost of the car to start with. It does include getting screwed by one of the only porsche mechanics in Lexington, KY that skipped town to my suprise after the engine was built and before it started ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) name given in private email for protection of others that might come in contact with....last known location...Vegas). Right side cam out of time and valve crash. Includes next rebuild done myself. Just got the carbs back rebuilt and bench started and tuned the engine Monday 5/24 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) . Includes 911 SC front suspension waiting to go in. Includes fuch wheels but no tires yet 16X7-16X9 (looking for 8's). Does not include all the start and stops of progress (time = $) for parts or trips for missing items or work of others (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) . None of my labor has been counted which is many hours. The engine will be installed in the car 6/5 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) . Still to do: convert rear suspension to 5 lug and powder coat (have stub axles, need hubs and e-brakes). Install front suspension, running the electrical, interior, and then repaint. All I can do myself but the stiching for the seats. Some days I cuss myself for even seeing this car let alone starting the conversion. Remembering how fun it was to drive with the 4 in it and hoping for much more enjoyment along with small victories along the way keeps me going. Hopefully, by July, I will be breaking the engine in and all the suspension and brakes will be finished. It seems the farther you dive into making a top notch conversion the deeper it gets. Your starting out with a 28 to 34 year old car. I've seen 6's done that looked like they got the thing in there and running and that's about it and it looks like it. If your after a professional done ride that is safe and dependable along with being drop dead in looks like I am, it takes the time and money.
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post May 27 2004, 07:51 AM
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Fuch the engine numbers... get us that guys phone number (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You got the right prices above., Conversions ain't cheap. Do what I do; save all the receipts in a folder for the next guy to add up. Under no circumstances should you add them up yourself.
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post May 27 2004, 10:00 PM
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LOL...never add up the receipts...and NEVER NEVER EVER let your significant other find them!

I have come to gauge how expensive a project is by its thickness...i.e. 2" of receipts, 8" etc.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post May 31 2004, 07:19 PM
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O.K. Sorry to be a carrot dangler.

I have the appt to FINALLY see this motor in 40 mins.
pics follow.

I hope we're not disappointed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif)
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post May 31 2004, 09:08 PM
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Guys...Really..What would you do?


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post May 31 2004, 09:09 PM
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post May 31 2004, 09:10 PM
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post May 31 2004, 09:12 PM
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engine# 911 670

he says it's a 225hp 3.0...Brad? others?

what displacment case is this?


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post May 31 2004, 09:15 PM
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The price really is $1500.00

He doesn't need any tile work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

He has agreed to drop it at my mechanic tomorrow pm for a once over and comp test. Maybe we'll run it?

I have access to a bell housing with a starter to crank it.

ME WANT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/givemebeer.gif)
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post May 31 2004, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ May 31 2004, 08:08 PM)
Guys...Really..What would you do?

that looks schweet!

even if you don't convert your car, you can always sell it for more than $1500!

have it tested, then do a dyno run and see how much HP you get ...

then start collecting conversion parts.
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PS: we need a HOOKED smily!
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post May 31 2004, 11:52 PM
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I'd say "gimme gimme gimme." The hel with the cost of conversion. If this thing doesnt go into your car you could sell it for more than you paid. Don't be discouraged, but what do I know, I'm a nut job.
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No WAY is that engine a 3.0. That case is an early aluminum case, early lower valve covers and everything. It's likely still a 2.0. At most it could be a 2.8. But for $1500 complete and running, it's not a bad deal...
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post Jun 1 2004, 06:47 AM
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What was this engine running in before? Some sort of dune buggy? Good deal reagradless if the HP numbers are as advertised and a full checkout comes up clean. Webers alone would fetch 1k if in good shape. You would have to at least rethink that exhaust routing... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Take it and run my man! That is a helluva deal. I will give you $1600! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 1 2004, 07:52 AM
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early aluminum cases are desirable, and if that one has had the necessary machine work done, that could be a great motor!
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