OBX Headers Options

[SCV]

Someone needs to pay this asshat a visit and talk to the guy in person.

+1. Can't say I'm surprised, but they should pay return shipping for their product that was defective right out of the box.

[sean_v8_914]

I have seen what goes into making a custom exhaust like what Tangerine racing offers. I have installed Chris' header before on customer cars and saw bob butler make the headers for teh Herkilis twin turbo project. at the price foley sells it is a bargain and the dyno doesnt lie

[r_towle]

Sean,

What does the collector look like (pics) and are there any slip fittings on that OBX unit, or is that thing welded up solid and that far off?

Rich

[sean_v8_914]

the obx racing parts depot porsche 914 header has a slip fit collector. there are 2 major problems. the first is teh alignment of teh attachment tabs relative t the oval shape or the exhaust port. the clocking is off. wrong aproach angle to the head mounting flanges

[jimkelly]

i am sure there is a diff in price - but having header stubs has got to be a very valuable plus as the heads studs don't like to the FFFFed with too much.

[914rat]

Sean I agree with Chris you are wasting your time.The Chinese business culture is to deny all problems and make it up with cheap prices and exchanges.It appears from the email exchange you are dealing with someone from another culture.

Chris do you still sell the economy version of the Tangerine with the Magna Flow muffler?

[ChrisFoley]

Chris do you still sell the economy version of the Tangerine with the Magna Flow muffler?

Yes.

[Maltese Falcon]

Sean, PM sent to you ...check it out . This may help with your satisfaction quest.
Marty

[Maltese Falcon]

Sean, those are definitely counterfeits of our MSDS type 4 headers that we build for A/A. Am I impressed that they copied them ...absolutely not. When Weapon -R (OBX's buddies) counterfeited the MSDS V6 Ford shorty headers , we spent lots of cash in court to get a cease and desist. Same thing like your dilema: Good parts aren't cheap / and Cheap parts aren't good. Everyone that bought the fake V6 headers had dangerous exhaust leaks, egr's that didn't align, and countless "Fix-it" forums with Home Depot parts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Go to any SEMA show and you will be amazed by how many creepy businesses are allowed into this organization, that prey upon their fellow members, at the blind eye of the SEMA directors. Hope you get satisfaction, it will take some doing.
Marty

[patssle]

I ran a version of the Euro Race headers that are also sold by Paragon Products...
Mine were ceramic coated inside and out, ran very well on my D-jetted 2056 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
4 into one collector...each individual header pipe is bolted up to a stub pipe and then into the collector...easy to mount and align that way.

I wish my Euro headers still looked that nice! Mine came with the car and have a ton of surface rust. Installed by a PO, probably about 5 years ago? I need to take them off and clean them up.

[Sawfish]

Any word back from the fine folks (rats) at OBX?

[Dr Evil]

Obviously a native English speaker.

[aircooledtechguy]

Sean I agree with Chris you are wasting your time.The Chinese business culture is to deny all problems and make it up with cheap prices and exchanges. It appears from the email exchange you are dealing with someone from another culture.

Ahh, brings back memories from when I lived in the Philippines years ago dealing with vendors. It's a simple 3 step process really. . .

1. You begin a conversation with the person but they are only using half their brain.

2. Half way through the conversation that half goes to sleep and the other half takes over.

3. Go back to step #1 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Good Luck with that one.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Either pay for the CFR and get quality or buy the ccc and get nothing. (cheap chinese crap) They copied someone's design and did a cheap knockoff According to Marty Schneider it does not fit very well, and they did not do much research about hp like Chris did.

I like stub pipes as much as the next 914 owner, but a set of stub pipes by themselves from Tangerine cost more than this entire header.

Rule of thumb:
You get what you pay for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Walter]

@Marty: just for interest sake: what is the outside diameter of the header pipes and wall thickness?

Thanks,
Walter

[VaccaRabite]

I also have a Eurorace on my car, and have been fighting poor quality control on it for ages. Chris and I have talked a few times at Hershey, and I wish I could spring for his system, but alas I am poor and have too many irons in the fire.

If you decide to go Eurorace, be prepped to fight with BIG leaks at the slip fit collector. I have been able to cure them for short runs with high temp silllycone. One of the pipes needs to be expended almost 1/8 of an inch to get a tight seal against the collector. It is very poor craftsmanship IMHO, and is on my list of things to fix this winter.

I think that the Eurorace can be made to work, but you need to be ready to fuck with it, and will want to cut off the Turbo muffler and weld on something quieter. Otherwise, you sound like a pissed off hillbilly on a big lawnmower shooting a shotgun during power downshifts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

For $400 more then what I paid for the Eurorace, I could have bought on of Chris's econo systems. Every time I think about getting under the car, I wish that is exactly what I had done.

Zach

[914rat]

Way to put it all in perspective Zach.I'm sure someone could take a cutoff wheel and a torch and screw with the OBX header and make it work until it needed screwing with again.It amazes me that in every industry the china crap keeps coming over and filling our land fills and emptying our wallets.

[charliew]

My son had a obx header on his sti suby and it was great. If the price is right I actually don't mind cutting and welding a decent ss header to make it better in my projects but of course it shouldn't be the norm and I would be pissed if the communication from the distributor was like that. It would be nice to find out if the others are that screwed up. Obx helical diffs for the suby tranny seem ok, the bolts and washers look a little cheap though. This is a good place to educate the community about the supplier.

[sean_v8_914]

it is not possible to bolt up the OBX Porsche 914 header. the fit is not close enough.

[scotty b]

first off I am in NO WAY defending these assholes, but Ican assure you guys. this issues is not limited to the 914 market, nor is it limited to inexpensive chinese knock offs. I have installed 5-6 sets of headers on american cars ( trucks ) and have only had ONE set that fit well out of the box. these were name brands, Edelbrock and Hookers. the worst were the set I put on my suburban that I actually had to cut a section out and weld in an inverted piece to clear the spring hangers, I also on that same set had to RUIN the ceramic coating I paid extra for by taking a rosebud tip to both sides and heat each pipe cherry red in order to flex the whole header out and away from the frame

Like Chris said, you get what you pay for in this industry. Price a set of B.B. headers for a 930 or 951 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)