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> SOT: The truth about Corvair engines, Nothing but the facts and experience, please
Dr Evil
post Feb 19 2011, 05:56 PM
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There has been lots of interest in the corvair power plant over the years as a possible source of cheap HP for many vehicles. There are used in experimental aviation, dune buggies, buses (such as mine), and in place of many other air cooled VW power plants. They are fairly cheap to buy and build, very easy to build and maintain, and plentiful with readily available parts from several suppliers.

The main divide in the corvair engine line took place in 1965 when the displacement of the engine was moved to 2.7L and was offered in a NA 110HP, NA140HP, turbo 150HP and turbo 180HP. The only differences in the long block between these engines are the nitrided crank found in all but the 110HP, and the heads: 110 had one single barrel on each head, the 140 had 2 with one acting as primary and one as secondary. The turbos had a single barrel blow through setup.

The heads are the major limiting factor in the design. They are not built in an intuitive way and rob much hp. The 140 head had bigger valves, but like its 2.0L TIV analog, would drop valve seats due to the limited amount of material between the seats in the head, and the inability of larger seats to shed heat as well as smaller seats. This can, and has been overcome by those who have been rebuilding these heads fro decades by making sure the crush tolerance on the seats are correct, and staking the seats in place.

Currently, you can get a set of rebuilt, 140hp larger valved heads, with new hardware and no core for about $1200 from Corvair Ranch in Gettysburg, PA. I bought a set that was rebuilt and had the plenums taken off for tri porting for $1500 shipped off of ebay from Starr Cooke in El Cajon, CA, another well known Corvair entity.

Modified with plenum removed for individual runners:
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The above uses an adapter that allows the placement of Weber triples. My set came with this adapter.

Here is a head with a stock plenum, modified with bungs for FI. This is a 140 head as it has two carb bases on it:
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Standard engine:
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One of the cool things that many ACVW folks like is that the corvair engine has stock hydraulic lifters on it that use standard lifter, push rod, and rocker parts from Chevy. Easy and cheap to obtain.

Another great feature that I like over ACVW is the box design on the case. The top and bottom come off and allow for any maintenance. Swapping rods, bearings, what ever, is easy.
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Dr Evil   SOT: The truth about Corvair engines   Feb 19 2011, 05:56 PM
Dr Evil   One thing you hear time and again is the claim of ...   Feb 19 2011, 06:02 PM
Dr Evil   Corvairs being used in aviation: A great site...   Feb 19 2011, 06:05 PM
Vacca Rabite   I understand that the valve springs are made of ch...   Feb 19 2011, 06:11 PM
Dr Evil   I understand that the valve springs are made of c...   Feb 19 2011, 06:23 PM
Dr Evil   The corvair engine rotates opposite of most engine...   Feb 19 2011, 06:21 PM
Dr Evil   Dont think that these engines can be made to kick ...   Feb 19 2011, 06:31 PM
Dr Evil   Many have purported that these engines are too exp...   Feb 19 2011, 06:33 PM
underthetire   :headbanger: the engine was the only thing other ...   Feb 19 2011, 06:35 PM
KaptKaos   Sherman - set the wayback machine to last month: ...   Feb 19 2011, 06:37 PM
Dr Evil   Sherman - set the wayback machine to last month: ...   Feb 19 2011, 06:42 PM
Elliot Cannon   The problem with the corvair wasn't with the e...   Feb 19 2011, 06:40 PM
Dr Evil   The ultimate engine! Using 94mm TI VW p/c you...   Feb 19 2011, 06:41 PM
Elliot Cannon   TURBO!!   Feb 19 2011, 06:43 PM
Dr Evil   The turbo was archaic. But, it did make more HP. I...   Feb 19 2011, 06:48 PM
Dr Evil   Here is a 150, looks the same as a 180. Like a mon...   Feb 19 2011, 06:49 PM
racerbvd   Thanks Dr. Lots of good info, most I didn't kn...   Feb 19 2011, 07:36 PM
silver74insocal   :popcorn: whats this thing weigh in at?   Feb 19 2011, 08:59 PM
Tom_T   Damn the Nader torpedoes, full speed ahead! :D...   Feb 19 2011, 09:06 PM
Vacca Rabite   Corvairs are cool as shit cars. After Mike showed...   Feb 19 2011, 09:25 PM
Tom_T   Corvairs are cool as shit cars. After Mike showe...   Feb 19 2011, 09:34 PM
KaptKaos   Corvairs are cool as shit cars. After Mike showe...   Feb 19 2011, 11:36 PM
Gearhead1432   I would like to know what a converted engine would...   Feb 19 2011, 10:06 PM
Smitty911   Dr. Evil, Thanks for bringing some Truth to the t...   Feb 19 2011, 10:07 PM
Dr Evil   I dont know the weight. It may be in the repair ma...   Feb 19 2011, 10:49 PM
Dr Evil   Here is a link to an auction from Larry's corv...   Feb 19 2011, 11:04 PM
Dr Evil   One from Starrcooke for less, but lower displaceme...   Feb 19 2011, 11:06 PM
Dr Evil   Clutch and adapter for $400. This is about th...   Feb 19 2011, 11:07 PM
Dr Evil   Holy crap, a twin turbo vair engine starting at ...   Feb 19 2011, 11:10 PM
Lou W   Sooo, then is this 63 convertable with no engine o...   Feb 20 2011, 12:25 AM
silver74insocal   yep worthless..give me 50 bucks and i will haul it...   Feb 20 2011, 12:36 AM
Gearhead1432   Looking at data from the pelican forum and the cor...   Feb 20 2011, 12:54 AM
zymurgist   Looking at data from the pelican forum and the co...   Feb 20 2011, 06:53 AM
Eric_Shea   There's little fairies that open the intake ...   Feb 20 2011, 01:13 AM
scotty b   WORST ENGINE EVER !!   Feb 20 2011, 06:47 AM
Dr Evil   3.0 has two over head cams and related hardware to...   Feb 20 2011, 07:09 AM
jk76.914   Nice summary- I offer a couple of clarifications- ...   Feb 20 2011, 07:45 AM
Don M   This really is a great direction if you are thnkin...   Feb 20 2011, 08:40 AM
GS Guy   Great thread Doc! The big limitation in the c...   Feb 20 2011, 08:57 AM
914coop   Had two Corvair powered vesicles. A VW framed dun...   Feb 20 2011, 09:58 AM
Racer Chris   A note regarding the (upright blade) cooling fan: ...   Feb 20 2011, 10:01 AM
Smitty911   "A note regarding the (upright blade) cooling...   Feb 20 2011, 11:34 AM
Vacca Rabite   Using a corvair transaxle would also neutralize th...   Feb 20 2011, 11:38 AM
zymurgist   Using a corvair transaxle would also neutralize t...   Feb 20 2011, 11:42 AM
gandalf_025   I've only owned and driven turbo versions. I...   Feb 20 2011, 11:43 AM
rascobo   When I got My learners permit at 15 1/2, My dad bo...   Feb 20 2011, 12:59 PM
Racer Chris   My older bro had 9 (mostly inoperable) of them in ...   Feb 20 2011, 01:55 PM
Dr Evil   The fans have been run in reverse on many engines ...   Feb 20 2011, 03:58 PM
bfrymire   The fans have been run in reverse on many engines...   Feb 20 2011, 04:33 PM
Dr Evil   The fans have been run in reverse on many engine...   Feb 20 2011, 05:50 PM
KaptKaos   All of this makes you wonder why VW & Porsche ...   Feb 20 2011, 04:31 PM
rick 918-S   I can't find the resource infomation but I rem...   Feb 20 2011, 04:42 PM
Dr Evil   Its weird how hard it is to find pics of one insta...   Feb 20 2011, 06:08 PM
rick 918-S   Its weird how hard it is to find pics of one inst...   Feb 20 2011, 06:15 PM
scotty b   Its weird how hard it is to find pics of one ins...   Feb 20 2011, 06:17 PM
jk76.914   Coupola more thoughts... The only issue with reve...   Feb 20 2011, 06:30 PM
TargaToy   Any simple ideas for retaining your HEAT if the co...   Feb 20 2011, 08:43 PM
Dr Evil   You can reverse the exhaust logs and retain the he...   Feb 20 2011, 08:53 PM
Lou W   "Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. ...   Feb 20 2011, 09:05 PM
TargaToy   In a proposed 914 install, is there anything about...   Feb 20 2011, 09:18 PM
Dr Evil   I would think not, however, I have not done it so ...   Feb 20 2011, 09:25 PM
Spoke   This is a friend's Corvair race car. The rear ...   Feb 20 2011, 09:27 PM
Don M   something to consider regarding pushrods, the oem ...   Feb 20 2011, 09:30 PM
Spoke   This is one nice Corvair. It has the 180HP turbo e...   Feb 20 2011, 09:32 PM
Spoke   This one might end up being a 914vair. He plans to...   Feb 20 2011, 09:36 PM
Spoke   No Corvair collection is complete without a Corvai...   Feb 20 2011, 09:39 PM
McMark   Could you run a 911 transmission? :idea:   Feb 20 2011, 10:36 PM
Dr Evil   Ya, but you would still have to reverse the engine...   Feb 20 2011, 10:41 PM
orange914   Ya, but you would still have to reverse the engin...   Feb 21 2011, 05:12 PM
Dave_Darling   couldn't you flip the ring&pinion, like w...   Feb 21 2011, 05:52 PM
Tom_T   We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White s...   Feb 21 2011, 05:48 PM
jk76.914   We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White ...   Feb 21 2011, 05:57 PM
Tom_T   We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White...   Feb 21 2011, 06:04 PM
Dr Evil   We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White...   Feb 21 2011, 06:07 PM
Tom_T   I installed the tranz cooler on my PG. It was pro...   Feb 21 2011, 06:20 PM
Dr Evil   I installed the tranz cooler on my PG. It was pr...   Feb 21 2011, 06:30 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='1434624' date='Feb 21 2...   Feb 21 2011, 06:46 PM
jk76.914   [quote name='jk76.914' post='1434613' date='Feb 2...   Feb 21 2011, 09:07 PM
Dr Evil   [quote name='jk76.914' post='1434613' date='Feb ...   Feb 21 2011, 09:26 PM
Dr Evil   Ya, basically, the input shaft will always be spin...   Feb 21 2011, 05:59 PM
McMark   I understand the internals would be spinning oppos...   Feb 21 2011, 06:02 PM
Dr Evil   I understand the internals would be spinning oppo...   Feb 21 2011, 06:12 PM
Racer Chris   You are focusing on the OUTPUT only. The helical ...   Feb 21 2011, 10:36 PM
Dr Evil   You are focusing on the OUTPUT only. The helical...   Feb 22 2011, 07:36 AM
Rand   I understand the internals would be spinning oppo...   Feb 21 2011, 10:28 PM
KELTY360   I understand the internals would be spinning opp...   Feb 22 2011, 01:12 AM
Rand   It makes sense if you don't think about it. ...   Feb 22 2011, 10:17 AM
messix   I understand the internals would be spinning opp...   Feb 22 2011, 01:33 AM
McMark   No, I'm not getting that involved. It would b...   Feb 21 2011, 06:22 PM
Smitty911   I spent some quality time at a local Corvair house...   Feb 21 2011, 08:42 PM
Dr Evil   How much is the head work? Shop around to the othe...   Feb 21 2011, 08:52 PM
Smitty911   How much is the head work? Shop around to the oth...   Feb 21 2011, 08:55 PM
spankmeister7   I also spent the day sourcing Corvair motors. I al...   Feb 21 2011, 09:09 PM
Dr Evil   Marcus, that is the price point that I am more fam...   Feb 21 2011, 09:24 PM
spankmeister7   One more thing. Under the heading of "inter...   Feb 21 2011, 09:55 PM
Racer Chris   I'm not convinced that running the R/P backwar...   Feb 22 2011, 12:03 PM
ClayPerrine   I'm not convinced that running the R/P backwa...   Feb 23 2011, 05:29 PM
pt_700   wish i'd known about this before buying all th...   Feb 22 2011, 01:14 PM
andys   Interseting read, this thread is. Was cleaning ou...   Feb 22 2011, 02:53 PM
Dr Evil   If anyone is interested, I have a holley carb adap...   Feb 22 2011, 05:59 PM
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