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moparrob |
Mar 3 2011, 03:53 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
I learned a new term today, but if you have a military background you may be familiar with it.
It is "Mission Creep". From Wikipedia, Mission creep is the expansion of a project or mission beyond its original goals. The term often implies a certain disapproval of newly adopted goals by the user of the term. Mission creep is usually considered undesirable due to the dangerous path of each success breeding more ambitious attempts, only stopping when a final, often catastrophic, failure occurs. The term was originally applied exclusively to military operations, but has recently been applied to many different fields. How appropriate, I thought, when a simple project such as "I'm just going to fill in the blank suddenly becomes a major undertaking rendering your car jackstand bound for an unexpected period of time. The effects of mission creep are seriously exaggerated by 1) underfunding/unrealistic budget projections, 2) procrastination and 3) unsubstantiated optimism. At least now I know what to call this affliction... |
smontanaro |
Mar 3 2011, 04:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 3-June 05 From: Evanston, IL Member No.: 4,197 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
See also Shipwright's Disease. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)
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Tom_T |
Mar 3 2011, 04:05 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
AKA -
"Budget Creep" disease "Project Scope Creep" disease "While I'm in there...." disease "I can always use one of these for..." disease etc., etc., etc. Many faces & many names, in many industries & undertakings! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
euro911 |
Mar 3 2011, 04:59 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,849 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) oh, how fuching true
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balljoint |
Mar 3 2011, 05:43 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
DWD
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moparrob |
Mar 3 2011, 09:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
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Dr Evil |
Mar 4 2011, 03:12 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
DWD = Dirk Wright's Disease
Another term is "Feature creep" You never finish the project because you keep coming up with new things to do to it before it is done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) No idea what that is like (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
Bleyseng |
Mar 4 2011, 04:14 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
"Scope creep" is what I learned in school but here long ago it was DWD or Dirk Wright's Disease. Dirk was a real guy who bought a 914 and started a small repair to the petals then proceeded to disassemble the whole damn car "while he was in there" until it was completely apart, then sold it.
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gothspeed |
Mar 4 2011, 08:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,539 Joined: 3-February 09 From: SoCal Member No.: 10,019 Region Association: None |
Some of these 'creep' events happen when a simple question is asked about .... say "should I hone my cylinders, re-ring it and run it?" which is obviously asked because the person wants to save money .......... AND get approval from the 'critical' members on the forum ............ BUT then ......
The question gets tons of responses like: "'If you want it done right', you should run Nickies with ARP head studs" then "while you are in there, you should really replace the through bolts with ARP other wise they will not match the new head studs" or something similar ...... then .... "'You might as well' rebuild the heads because you cannot have good rings and used heads, or better yet get a set of new LE heads to match the Nickies" "So you may as well rebuild the whole motor with all forged and titanium parts!!!" "sure it is a lot of money, but you get what you pay for!" or "you gotta pay to play" or "people without money should not have these cars, because they are sooooo special" or "I would not do it like that!!" ...... or ....... " I would go to Germany and bring Ferdinand Porsche back from the dead and have him redesign this motor .... because it has tons of flaws" .............. etc ................. etc ............. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
AndyB |
Mar 4 2011, 08:08 AM
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The Governor is watching me Group: Members Posts: 1,115 Joined: 10-April 10 From: Philadelphia New York Member No.: 11,595 Region Association: North East States |
Some of these 'creep' events happen when a simple question is asked about .... say "should I hone my cylinders, re-ring it and run it?" which is obviously asked because the person wants to save money .......... AND get approval from the 'critical' members on the forum ............ BUT then ...... The question gets tons of responses like: "'If you want it done right', you should run Nickies with ARP head studs" then "while you are in there, you should really replace the through bolts with ARP other wise they will not match the new head studs" or something similar ...... then .... "'You might as well' rebuild the heads because you cannot have good rings and used heads, or better yet get a set of new LE heads to match the Nickies" "So you may as well rebuild the whole motor with all forged and titanium parts!!!" "sure it is a lot of money, but you get what you pay for!" or "you gotta pay to play" or "people without money should not have these cars, because they are sooooo special" or "I would not do it like that!!" ...... or ....... " I would go to Germany and bring Ferdinand Porsche back from the dead and have him redesign this motor .... because it has tons of flaws" .............. etc ................. etc ............. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
Dr Evil |
Mar 4 2011, 11:00 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Some of these 'creep' events happen when a simple question is asked about .... say "should I hone my cylinders, re-ring it and run it?" which is obviously asked because the person wants to save money .......... AND get approval from the 'critical' members on the forum ............ BUT then ...... The question gets tons of responses like: "'If you want it done right', you should run Nickies with ARP head studs" then "while you are in there, you should really replace the through bolts with ARP other wise they will not match the new head studs" or something similar ...... then .... "'You might as well' rebuild the heads because you cannot have good rings and used heads, or better yet get a set of new LE heads to match the Nickies" "So you may as well rebuild the whole motor with all forged and titanium parts!!!" "sure it is a lot of money, but you get what you pay for!" or "you gotta pay to play" or "people without money should not have these cars, because they are sooooo special" or "I would not do it like that!!" ...... or ....... " I would go to Germany and bring Ferdinand Porsche back from the dead and have him redesign this motor .... because it has tons of flaws" .............. etc ................. etc ............. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) well versed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
balljoint |
Mar 4 2011, 11:52 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
This is why we haven't heard from alpha434. He is rebuilding his entire car in Titanium.
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ConeDodger |
Mar 4 2011, 01:34 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,586 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
Spent lots of time in the military... Mission creep often occurs because of 'targets of opportunity' which is also appropriate here. I recently redid my dashboard area and replaced my windshield at the same time because it was a 'target of opportunity.' Having the windshield out made the dash easier and since I was taking the windsheild out, replacing it with new was well... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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moparrob |
Mar 4 2011, 01:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
Perhaps I can start a local chapter of Mission Creep Anonymous.
"Hi, My name is Rob and I........." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yellowsleep[1].gif) |
sww914 |
Mar 4 2011, 01:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,439 Joined: 4-June 06 Member No.: 6,146 Region Association: None |
In aircraft they call it weight creep. Next thing you know your whole design is obsolete because the people involved after the design have added so much crap that the engine can't lift the plane anymore.
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