Gas Prices are going to kill me!!!!, $2.20 Gal Options

[Red-Beard]

You startup and shutdown on Diesel. You switch over to the fry oil once the engine is warmed up. It actually is supposed to get better mileage with the fry oil than with diesel.

HOWEVER. I would bet that the emmisions are much worse. Also, there isn't that much fry oil around, as compared to diesel...

James

[Otmar]

I don't know about the emissions of SVO (straight Vegetable Oil) but the tests on Biodiesel (which is made from the same used oil) show that the emissions are much lower than dino diesel.

I've got a friend who is looking for a 4 cyl TDI to put in his 914 just so he can run Biodiesel. I'm looking for a 5cyl TDI to put in my tow rig. Tow Rig Not quiet, but I really want that turbo diesel torque for the mountain passes.

[Rusty]

This is expensive..but what isn't?

Think about the price per gallon you pay for the other liquids we use:

Milk, Beer, Wine, OJ, Olive Oil, Coke etc. even bottled water. A single serve coke/water outta a vending machine = $7.50 a gal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Gas is by far the cheap thrill of the day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) I saw that email floating around a couple of year ago... no doubt created by some PR folks at a gas company to be distributed around the internet.

If you needed to buy bottled water, milk, olive oil or Coke in lots of 15-50 gallons, just to be able to get from place to place: all hell would be breaking loose.

It's not even a valid comparison. Besides, who actually buys those little bottles of water from the machine anyways? What's wrong with a water fountain?

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

[MrPitbull]

As the guy from UK said our price of gas is so much expensive here than in US and with my toys its really expensive but what the heck I like them a lot!
The gas price in Sweden is now, 10.83Kr per liter for 98 octan. 1 dollar is 7.53 skr so that is almost two dollar per liter.....

[Red-Beard]

It's not even a valid comparison. Besides, who actually buys those little bottles of water from the machine anyways? What's wrong with a water fountain?

Hmmmmm.

I do, when I've lost my last one which I usually fill up at the water fountain....

Yeah, Coke sells you _water_ in a bottle for more than they sell you, uh, Coke. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[mikester]

As the guy from UK said our price of gas is so much expensive here than in US and with my toys its really expensive but what the heck I like them a lot!
The gas price in Sweden is now, 10.83Kr per liter for 98 octan. 1 dollar is 7.53 skr so that is almost two dollar per liter.....

Question is, have your prices been going up at the rate ours have been?

[Trekkor]

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The price per gallon on a tall, cool , Budweiser goes up even higher if you set foot into a into a restaurant, bar, pool hall or the worst... Ball park $6.75 for a Barley Pop. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

$ 54.00 a Gallon at the Giants ( giant rip off ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif)

[Red-Beard]

Yeah, but you're paying for the ambiance... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)

[Mark Henry]

You startup and shutdown on Diesel. You switch over to the fry oil once the engine is warmed up. It actually is supposed to get better mileage with the fry oil than with diesel.

HOWEVER. I would bet that the emmisions are much worse. Also, there isn't that much fry oil around, as compared to diesel...

James

You DO NOT have to modify a diesel engine (you do retard timing slightly on straight BD) to run on bio-diesel. You do have to modify it if you plan to run SVO (straight vegetable oil)

You also cannot just pour fryer oil (unless you have a SVO system) in your tank, it must be refined into bio-diesel.

You can make (DIY) bio-diesel yourself with used fryer oil. Restaurants have to pay to get rid of their old oil, so most are more than happy to give it to you. Canada (Ontario) has several gas stations offering a bio-diesel blend now.

Bio-diesel FAQ:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

We are thinking about getting a diesel jetta, if we do I might try it.

[balljoint]

Filled up with high-octane over the weekend.

$0.9550 CDN/litre

=$3.61 CDN/gallon

=$2.64 USD/gallon

Of course that was in the truck which gets me 500 km+ to a tank (75 l).

The 914 is really cheap on gas. No motor in it yet.

[SP9146]

Biodiesel puts out fewer emissions than dino diesel. Mainly the NOx and particulates are lower. Best way to make biodiesel is from rape seed.

Future US emission standards are going to be the same for gas and diesel (today diesels gets a break) and that's the problem. Even with the new common rail technology and low sulfur fuel NOx levels are higher than gas and above the limit.

Mercedes will use uera injection to clean up the NOx in their regular diesel. You'd have to change the canister with every oil change which isn't a big deal considering the benefits.

The rise in gas prices doesn't seem so bad when you consider these new engines will give you 40% better MPG and more fun to drive. I was dreading a future of sterelized hybrid propulsion but these diesels give me hope we can have our cake and eat it too. I also hear hybrids are going to get better...

[Pnambic]

This was emailed to me today. I know my link is specific to Indianapolis, but if you scroll down the left side, there appear to be links to other metro locations as well. It's as good as the people using it.
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Maybe it'll help you save a buck or two until you can convert to solar panels...or maybe sails. It'll take 'em at least 3 or 4 years to figure out how to tax the wind.
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Gas Prices

[dflesburg]

Whaaa...

My summer driver only gets about 14mpg with the top down. And since its Supercharged it needs to run 92+

[dmenche914]

Gas? What's that?
You guys still using gas? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I'm voting for $5 a gallon here in the US. I figure it's the best way to get rid of those SUVs that are risking my life by being on the road. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif)

Oh well, stupid is as stupid does, and in Uhmerica that means believing TV ads and throwing lots of pure profit at the car makers for unsafe gas guzzling SUVs. (It's just a pickup truck, Duh!)

Just be glad our beloved teeners get close to 30 mpg on gas. (I think that's right, correct me if I'm wrong it's been a while since I ran one on gas)

Have fun!

[QUOTE] If the goal is to rid the roads of SUV's, I think that $5 a gallon is not the best way to go. Give me a break, I never owned one, ever! Why pray tell should I pay $5 a gallon in my economical car because someone (regardless right or wrong) wants SUV's off the road. If you want them off the road, pass a law getting them off the road, but do not punish others in your attempt to change the ways of others. Attack the problem head on man! Do not go around the problem you wish to solve by effecting everyone regardless of "guilt". I am sure that most of the SUV owners have on average more income for gas purchase, than those that drive econo boxes, so you would be harming the econo box owners proportionally more, and still may not get the richest SUV owners off the road.

Very poor idea for the goal of removing SUV's, if you got a probelm with them, then attack them if you must, not everyone (I am not a big fan of them either)

I for one like to go camping in the mountians, right now in my 914 (yes I drive it camping sometimes) it costs about $35 round trip in gas, If it hits $5 a gallon, I'd be out an extra $35 every time I go camping, all this for you to rid the roads of SUV's, yeah, right, give up my vacations because I can't afford them with your plan.

Electrics are a nice non gas option, I have considered making an electric car myself, however if all the cars in California were electric, there would not be enough powerplants to keep them going. Electric is not the solution right now, as are other technologies that are in the press (and Politics) Hydrogen is a neat one, it burns so clean etc..... What people need to understand (as we piss away tax dollars for demo cars that burn a fuel that is too expensive to make) is hydrogen needs energy to produce it, and we have no place for that to come from right now.

Maybe one day we will have cheap electric (maybe Fussion) when we do, electric, or hydrogen cars will be the best, until then the majority use gasoline, and the majority of them are better off with low gas prices.

The China thing mentioned is probably right, China has been increasing its fuel needs drastically, In a nation that had zero private cars a decade or so ago, to the biggest market for cars, they will be using alot of gas, and other engrgy to fuel their economy. So true, the price of gas here is higher because of demand there. However, we are benifiting from Chinas development with cheap (dirt cheap) products we buy from them, however there are other issues such as are we supporting slave labor, or helping Chinas military might. At any rate, China is I believe having an impact on gas prices.

As far as diesel, I think it is a good option, certainly good milage from the diesel. A small light car could get over 60 mpg with a diesel. Diesel technology is already here, just need the public to buy them. They do simular to hybrids in milage. Europe has something like half the cars on diesel (or half the new sales of cars, or something like that, oh heck don't quote me I just know its a lot of them in europe)

dave

[Toast]

I paid $2.49 a gallon this morning.

Here is what West Valley, Utah is paying: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif)

[GaroldShaffer]

Took the boy to Nana's this morning gas was $1.89. Went to the doctor this afternon for my checkup and gas is $2.08. Not bad, only jumped $.19 in four hours. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) :finger2: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

- Garold

[anthony]

there would not be enough powerplants to keep them going.

That's not true. Electric vehicles charge at night when overall electrical demand is very low. Electrics do have their disadvantages - the primary being range.

[TROJANMAN]

filled up the new mercedes at costco yesterday for $1.98/gal. i can't figure out if i am saving money by driving it, since it gets the best gas mileage of any car in my fleet, or if it costs more because it requires a minimum of 91 octane.

And, if anyone wants gas to go to $5/gal, then let's try putting a democrat in the white house so he can add more taxes to the price of a gallon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spank.gif)

[SLITS]

Seeing as how the "oil companies" are multinational and owe allegience to no one in paticular, it has always been my thought that they are just trying to get the US to pay the same as the rest of the world for refined fossil fuel.

Maybe it's an Al Queerda plot!

It goes up, but never comes back to the level it started at. So......., bend over, grab your ankles and SMILE.

[Dr Evil]

On the news a couple of days ago they reported that the oil companies are raising prices due to short commings in supply due to several refineries being down for maintenance. However, the two major companies have reported first quarter earnings increaces of around 23% for shell, and 98% for exxon/arco. (I am pretty shure that I got the names and figures right...the main idea is still there) Thus, there is absolutely no fiscal motivation for the companies to repair their refineries, or do any other maintenance as stated in the earlier post about the diesel pipeline break.

As for SUV bias, I have owned one as long as I was able and have used it as intended most of the time. The only folks that I have hit deserved it (they werent paying attention, ran stop signs) and it saved my bacon. Besides, I need to always keep a car in inventory that can tow the 914 home, to the shop, etc.

My daily driver is a motorcycle that gets atleast 40mpg. It is a hazardous endevour, but parking is also very easy.