I need more power Options

[jgiroux67]

I have a 73 2.0L and everything is stock. I am wanting to get atleast 150 HP and reliability. What is the best way of going about this? Also what is the price should i be looking at to do this?

[Jake Raby]

Absolutely without a doubt-

2270 Type IV in my "C" stage of tune.... Best of every world and idles like she is stock!

Hell it even breaks 30 MPG in most cases!

150 BHP and 160 lb/ft of torque in most instances, Great torque down low- comes on hard at 3250 RPM and pulls straight to 7K!

Its good for dual purpose track and street driving. I have it perfected, but we are working every week to make it better.

Damn, I just realized this is my 1.000th post here....

[Andyrew]

Jake, you forgot his last question..

lol

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[Jake Raby]

Nope, I didn't forget it- I just didn't answer it.

I never make pricing quotes till I talk to the customer in depth, else as soon as you do and something changes I get crucified for false advertisement!

One asshole last year tried to sue me for it!

C-U-S-T-O-M means that there is no set price...

[Joe Bob]

Talking to them also weeds out the wankers....
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[Jake Raby]

Yep, I talk to over 1000 people a year...But sell only 60 engines. Lots of wankers!

[Dave_Darling]

I suggest budgeting at least $6K for that. At least... And it may be very significantly more.

A Six conversion is another option, but that will generally run you $10+ to do decently. The 3.0 motor can get you 200 HP and be reliable as a sledgehammer.

An SBC (Small Block Chevy) conversion can get you 300+ HP. The engine will be as reliable as a hammer, but you can start breaking other things relatively easily by that point. Figure $10K+ to do that one well also.

Yes, I know that you or your gramma or your neighbor or whomever did a Six conversion for sixteen bucks and it's perfect, or did a V8 swap for thirty-seven cents and it has won every concours in existance. But generally it costs quite a bit to do the swap no matter which way you go.

The Raby motor is a very attractive option, but you don't get to just ignore the motor for a quarter-million miles the way you would an SBC or a 3.0 Six.

--DD

[Jake Raby]

I wouldn't even consider a six.. If you convert go straight to a Small Block!

If your gonna butcher and add weight- may as well do it all the way and atleast get some mega power!

[machina]

don't forget that the -6 is going to add at least 100lbs to the car when your done. probably more.

and if your using a junkyard 911 motor, all bets are off on its true condition until its all bolted in.

check the rebuild prices on a -6.

dr

[grantsfo]

There is somthing to be said about a very lightweight well sorted 4 cylinder car. I have always found them more appealing for my style of driving, even in the face of less reliability compared to a 6. I just want something that can make the car go faster than my stock 1.8 when I do time trails.

...And with most six conversions people beef up suspension to 5 lug with bigger brakes, bigger wheels etc. I would venture to say most conversions weigh more than just the difference in engine weight.

[lmcchesney]

Like has been said in the past. What do you want to do with it?
$/seat time <<< $/BPH.
L. McC

[jgiroux67]

I was thinking more on the lines of modifying my current engine rather than swapping it out for a 6 or v8 or a new 4. I am looking to make this a light car with good handling for the street and i want it to be somewhat quick. So I was thinking of carbs/cams/lifters or maybe bore it out to 2.3-2.5 L but i dont know so i just need to know what would be the best for modifying this 2.0L.

[vortrex]

crating it up and sending it to jake, that is the best modification for your motor.

[jgiroux67]

Aside from sending it to jake, what can i do that will get the power up

[vortrex]

you didn't say what your skill level is but nothing you can simply bolt on is going to do anything for an old 2.0 motor. personally, if I was going to spend many $1000's on parts to make 150HP I would have a professional build it right.

[vortrex]

no offense, but are you really 17 years old?

[jgiroux67]

yes i am only 17 and have been doing all the work on my car so far, but as far as the engine my dad and some of his friends are realy good with that stuff. Well how much power increase would there be if I bored it out to 2300cc(give or take) and then put some webers on it and then got some hydrolic cams and lifters

[jgiroux67]

oh yeah, no offense takin

[Jake Raby]

Hell I have a 17 year old that works for me.. he has been for 4 years now.

He built my 2270 test engine last year, and did a shit hot job... He has a full ride to Clemson staring in the fall, he will be majoring in Manufacturing engineering..... SO watch the hell out- we are just getting started!!

He can run every machine in my shop, and runs the balancer betterthan I do! Hell he can even run the dyno!

[Dave_Darling]

Well how much power increase would there be if I bored it out to 2300cc(give or take) and then put some webers on it and then got some hydrolic cams and lifters

You realize the only difference between this and swapping in a different four is that you are doing the work yourself, right? You're talking a complete engine rebuild, with expensive hi-po parts.

Depending on about a zillion other factors, a combination like you list could make anything from about 80 HP up to 180 HP. Actually, scratch that. The hydro lifters and the cams that are compatible with that are not going to make you anything close to the top end of those numbers, they won't hold up to high valve opening rates, and they will tend to float more easily at high RPMs.

If you really need 150 HP, pull the motor and send it to Jake. Or have him put together a kit for you. Or do all the research you can, build the motor, test it, and live with however it comes out or build it over again to get closer to what you want... Those are pretty much the two ways to go.

--DD