 Hard to get into gear - when hot, Is this possible??? |
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| EJP914 |
 May 30 2011, 05:58 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 260 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Monroeville, PA Member No.: 821  |
When the car ('74 1.8) is first run, it shifts ok. After it has been run for awhile and gets hot, I have trouble getting it into any gear especially first where I get a big grinding sound.
I have never replaced the clutch pedal or brake pedal bushings. Is it possible the clutch bushing is swelled up, not allowing the clutch pedal to fully return? It does make a really bad squeak when pushing the pedal in. This might be a really stupid question, but it's all i could think of as the cause. The shifter bushings are fairly new so I don't think it's that. I do have to adjust the free play on the clutch since I just replaced the plastic bushing on the end of the cable. I can't think its a broken clutch cable tube since the shifting is ok when cold. Any suggestion on what may be the cause. Thx in advance for the help. |
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| Elliot Cannon |
May 30 2011, 06:15 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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Replacing the pedal bushings isn't too hard once you get the pedal assembly out. You can get the bushings in a kit and it has been suggested in the past NOT to use the roll pin that comes with the kit. I've been advised to buy a roll pin made with harder steel. Having said that, I used the roll pin in the kit eight years ago and it's still working. (Watch, now it will break tomorrow). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Replace the pedal bushings and adjust your clutch.
PS I'm originaly from Clairton. |
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| EJP914 |
May 30 2011, 06:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 260 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Monroeville, PA Member No.: 821 |
Car has been sitting all afternoon. Stone cold. I can get 2nd and 3rd with some effort, but 4th and 5 th is no-go. I am afraid to force it. Any ideas? I am beginning to think this is going to be expensive.
Elliot: How long have you been gone from the 'burg? |
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| messix |
May 30 2011, 06:47 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
is it hard to get into gear when the engine is off?
if its ok then it's prolly just a need to adjust the clutch linkage down under the car by the tranny. have some one get in and push in the clutch while under the car and see if it's pulling the throw out bearing fork back all the way. if it is you might be need to put a spacer [washer] between the fork pivot ball and the bell housing. this will allow the fork to put more in to the clutch. |
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| Elliot Cannon |
May 30 2011, 07:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(EJP914 @ May 30 2011, 05:30 PM)  Car has been sitting all afternoon. Stone cold. I can get 2nd and 3rd with some effort, but 4th and 5 th is no-go. I am afraid to force it. Any ideas? I am beginning to think this is going to be expensive. Elliot: How long have you been gone from the 'burg? Since 1956. Steeler fan for life. |
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| Dr Evil |
May 30 2011, 08:51 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,999 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Hey Neighbor. I am thinking that this could also be an internal problem. Heat changes the way stuff in the gear box works and the viscosity of the oil. Thinner oil with heat = shittier shifting with worn internal parts. Not an uncommon occurrence. The only other thing that tends to be a culprit are the engine mounts allowing for shifting of the drive train. This is less likely as you are getting grinding which is either caused by a clutch that is not completely disengaging, or but worn internal parts.
For proper clutch adjustment, see my 31 pages of notes below. If you wanna swing by or set up a time to meet, I can help you out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| EJP914 |
May 30 2011, 08:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 260 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Monroeville, PA Member No.: 821 |
Messix: Yes it is hard to get it into gear when the car is not running. At first I couldnt get any gear except 1 and reverse. The more I moved the shifter around alot and pushed the clutch pedal in and out, I finally found 2 & 3. 4 & 5 finally came around about an hr later. I adjusted the clutch cable at the tranny and will drive it tomorrow to see if any better.
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| Dr Evil |
May 30 2011, 09:05 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,999 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(EJP914 @ May 30 2011, 10:56 PM) Messix: Yes it is hard to get it into gear when the car is not running. At first I couldnt get any gear except 1 and reverse. The more I moved the shifter around alot and pushed the clutch pedal in and out, I finally found 2 & 3. 4 & 5 finally came around about an hr later. I adjusted the clutch cable at the tranny and will drive it tomorrow to see if any better. Ah, if not getting reverse then it is an adjustment issue. Reverse only puts up a fight when the adjustment is out, there is not syncro on it. |
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| messix |
May 30 2011, 09:23 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ May 30 2011, 08:05 PM) QUOTE(EJP914 @ May 30 2011, 10:56 PM) Messix: Yes it is hard to get it into gear when the car is not running. At first I couldnt get any gear except 1 and reverse. The more I moved the shifter around alot and pushed the clutch pedal in and out, I finally found 2 & 3. 4 & 5 finally came around about an hr later. I adjusted the clutch cable at the tranny and will drive it tomorrow to see if any better. Ah, if not getting reverse then it is an adjustment issue. Reverse only puts up a fight when the adjustment is out, there is not syncro on it. ya... you might wanna pull the tranny and go see the doc. he can get the shift forks adjusted for you. |
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| URY914 |
May 31 2011, 05:16 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,662 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Start by checking that the cone screws are tight. Then adjust your clutch.
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| jjackson |
May 31 2011, 07:04 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 219 Joined: 5-October 10 From: maumelle, arkansas Member No.: 12,246 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ May 30 2011, 08:35 PM) QUOTE(EJP914 @ May 30 2011, 05:30 PM) Car has been sitting all afternoon. Stone cold. I can get 2nd and 3rd with some effort, but 4th and 5 th is no-go. I am afraid to force it. Any ideas? I am beginning to think this is going to be expensive. Elliot: How long have you been gone from the 'burg? Since 1956. Steeler fan for life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Sewickley 1982.JJackson |
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| dirk9141973 |
Jun 1 2011, 03:50 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) same problem getting into reverse and 1st ?? I think its linkage ?? never had this problem and idea?
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| Dr Evil |
Jun 1 2011, 04:06 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,999 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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In my 31 pages of notes linked below this is addressed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| charliew |
Jun 1 2011, 04:18 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
From when I was a kid in the 60's if the clutch is not fully disengaging when the disk gets hotter it will be thicker and even more harder to get it to disengage. Try opening the door and rolling the car forward and backward while trying to get it in 1st or reverse and if it then goes in easily it's the clutch adjustment. By moving the car you are helping align the gears to slip in position easier. Kinda like rolling a bike back and forth to get the gears to mesh while you are sitting still.
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| dirk9141973 |
Jun 1 2011, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Jun 1 2011, 02:06 PM) Your notes are GREAT !!!! Thanks |
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| Spoke |
Jun 1 2011, 05:07 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(jjackson @ May 31 2011, 09:04 AM) Sewickley 1982.JJackson I grew up in Leetsdale. Did you go to Quaker Valley or the Academy? I graduated in 75. Sorry for the hijack. Back on topic: Check your clutch adjustment. If any more trouble, get with Dr. Evil. He will be able to find and fix your issues. For simple stuff, I think he works for beer and pizza. If it gets complicated, bring your checkbook. |
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| Valy |
Jun 1 2011, 06:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,675 Joined: 6-April 10 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 11,573 Region Association: Northern California |
Had a similar problem till I changed the front engine mounts.
The engine moves when the mounts are shot so the shift alignment changes. |
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