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| bare 1 |
 Jun 23 2011, 02:35 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None  |
Qiuck Question ----- What guage sheetmetal is a teener or perhaps more to the point, what guage to repair her?? I get to put my fab skills to the test (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) and learn to run my new MIG (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) .. Fortunatly for me and the car I'm not a total novice-- just used to thicker stuff--- like steel boats. There's enough left I can make some patterns Thanks for the info. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Maybe one day I'll get to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) this thing again!!! Yea right . The deeper I dig the more rot I find!!! More questions deeper in the thread. Thanks guys.
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| saigon71 |
Jun 23 2011, 03:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,998 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Original metal used works out to about 19 gauge. Upon advice from 914world, I used 18 ga for structural repairs and 20 gauge for non-structural repairs.
Make sure you turn down the heat when welding the 20 ga! Best of luck to you on this project...I am in the middle of it. Like you, I just bought a mig welder and learned how to use it. Practice on scrap metal until you are comfortable. Over and over before you weld anything on the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) Bob |
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| bare 1 |
Jun 23 2011, 04:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
Thanks Cam Rahn Bay 70-71
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| obscurity |
Jun 23 2011, 07:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
I have been using 16ga for all structural repairs. From what I could tell most of the structural panels sold are in the 16ga range. Also I asked on the board a while ago and the general opinion was to 16ga. The non structural can be a little thinner
John |
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| Mike Bellis |
Jun 23 2011, 09:53 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None
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You can get the stamped replacement sheet metal from Restoration Design. Looks better and saves time.
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| obscurity |
Jun 24 2011, 07:28 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Jun 23 2011, 11:53 PM)  You can get the stamped replacement sheet metal from Restoration Design. Looks better and saves time. And I would definitely recommend using them but there are so many parts that are not made or areas where you only need two inches of a simple or expensive panel and its just quicker and easier to make it yourself. Cheers, John |
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| Spoke |
Jun 24 2011, 08:43 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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I've gone to 18ga for body patch replacement and 16ga for structural. Even used 14ga in some places like around the firewall where the clutch tube exits.
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| underthetire |
Jun 24 2011, 09:57 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
Engman (sp) makes a cheap kit for doing a basic repair. Think it ~100 bucks.
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| bare 1 |
Jun 26 2011, 08:40 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
So I've gotten under the skin of the cruel mistress and in places she seems to be layered. This is in the area of the main long , top and bottom ,specificly next to where the fuel pump mounts. This does not appear to be a PO patch but factory. The area above (beneath, behind) the triangle jacking piece and the corresponding area above. (the bottom of the hellhole) Thoughts on repairing this??? I'm thinking overlaping patches to duplicate factory construction, OR Maybe one big thick patch to speed the process???? There are a few overlaps in the corner of the hell hole sheetmetal where all that ties together. What's the preferred method here?? Overlap or butt weld. I'm leaning toward butt weld.
Also the duplicate panels I've seen (Auto Atlanta, Restoration design) don't dupicate what I need. So It's fab time. |
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| obscurity |
Jun 26 2011, 09:03 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 26 2011, 10:40 AM) So I've gotten under the skin of the cruel mistress and in places she seems to be layered. This is in the area of the main long , top and bottom ,specificly next to where the fuel pump mounts. This does not appear to be a PO patch but factory. The area above (beneath, behind) the triangle jacking piece and the corresponding area above. (the bottom of the hellhole) Thoughts on repairing this??? I'm thinking overlaping patches to duplicate factory construction, OR Maybe one big thick patch to speed the process???? There are a few overlaps in the corner of the hell hole sheetmetal where all that ties together. What's the preferred method here?? Overlap or butt weld. I'm leaning toward butt weld. Also the duplicate panels I've seen (Auto Atlanta, Restoration design) don't dupicate what I need. So It's fab time. Lets see some pictures!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| barada |
Jun 26 2011, 11:11 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 257 Joined: 5-October 08 From: Atlanta Member No.: 9,613 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 26 2011, 11:03 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 26 2011, 10:40 AM) So I've gotten under the skin of the cruel mistress and in places she seems to be layered. This is in the area of the main long , top and bottom ,specificly next to where the fuel pump mounts. This does not appear to be a PO patch but factory. The area above (beneath, behind) the triangle jacking piece and the corresponding area above. (the bottom of the hellhole) Thoughts on repairing this??? I'm thinking overlaping patches to duplicate factory construction, OR Maybe one big thick patch to speed the process???? There are a few overlaps in the corner of the hell hole sheetmetal where all that ties together. What's the preferred method here?? Overlap or butt weld. I'm leaning toward butt weld. Also the duplicate panels I've seen (Auto Atlanta, Restoration design) don't dupicate what I need. So It's fab time. Lets see some pictures!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Yes and I would say butt weld. |
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| obscurity |
Jun 26 2011, 04:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 26 2011, 10:40 AM) So I've gotten under the skin of the cruel mistress and in places she seems to be layered. This is in the area of the main long , top and bottom ,specificly next to where the fuel pump mounts. This does not appear to be a PO patch but factory. The area above (beneath, behind) the triangle jacking piece and the corresponding area above. (the bottom of the hellhole) Thoughts on repairing this??? I'm thinking overlaping patches to duplicate factory construction, OR Maybe one big thick patch to speed the process???? There are a few overlaps in the corner of the hell hole sheetmetal where all that ties together. What's the preferred method here?? Overlap or butt weld. I'm leaning toward butt weld. Also the duplicate panels I've seen (Auto Atlanta, Restoration design) don't dupicate what I need. So It's fab time. What part do you need that isn't made? Most of the passenger side long pieces are made. John |
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| bare 1 |
 Jun 27 2011, 10:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
initial review I'm messed up here somewhere. Can't seem to post pics. It will take the number on browse and I hit add this attach than add this but the pic does'nt come up.???
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| obscurity |
Jun 27 2011, 11:03 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 12:45 PM) initial review I'm messed up here somewhere. Can't seem to post pics. It will take the number on browse and I hit add this attach than add this but the pic does'nt come up.??? There are several steps to adding an image for some reason. 1. "Browse" for the image 2. Click "Add this Attachement" I think you have done these two steps 3. Place your cursor in the post where you want the image to show 4. Click "Add into Post" I think this is the critical missing step 5. Finally click "Add This" to post to the forum Hope this helps John |
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| bare 1 |
Jun 27 2011, 11:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
I'm not real computer literate. I'm trying the stuff you say but don't have "add to post". I have "insert image" and when I click this it tells me I must enter a URL If I knew what that was or where to find it it would probably help. I think it's my computer ID ,right ? But how and where ???
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| obscurity |
Jun 27 2011, 11:21 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:20 PM) ok initial review Are the pictures very large? Maybe they are larger than the maximum size for a post? John |
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| bare 1 |
Jun 27 2011, 11:31 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 27 2011, 10:21 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:20 PM) ok initial review Are the pictures very large? Maybe they are larger than the maximum size for a post? John May be I think 36something by 24something as in 4 digit something. |
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| obscurity |
Jun 27 2011, 12:00 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM) QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 27 2011, 10:21 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:20 PM) ok initial review Are the pictures very large? Maybe they are larger than the maximum size for a post? John May be I think 36something by 24something as in 4 digit something. I usually shoot for an 800 x 600 jpg with a little compression. This usually puts the image in the 150kb range. I think you anoy get about 500kb worth of space in a give post. John |
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| bare 1 |
Jun 27 2011, 12:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 27 2011, 11:00 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM) QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 27 2011, 10:21 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:20 PM) ok initial review Are the pictures very large? Maybe they are larger than the maximum size for a post? John May be I think 36something by 24something as in 4 digit something. I usually shoot for an 800 x 600 jpg with a little compression. This usually puts the image in the 150kb range. I think you anoy get about 500kb worth of space in a give post. Yea I've been doing a little searching on the site and my pics are way too big. I'll post up when I find a way to shrink them. The method listed on this site is incompatible with my version of windows. Thanks John |
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| obscurity |
Jun 27 2011, 12:23 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Atlanta ,GA Member No.: 5,628 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:13 PM) QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 27 2011, 11:00 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM) QUOTE(obscurity @ Jun 27 2011, 10:21 AM) QUOTE(bare 1 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:20 PM) ok initial review Are the pictures very large? Maybe they are larger than the maximum size for a post? John May be I think 36something by 24something as in 4 digit something. I usually shoot for an 800 x 600 jpg with a little compression. This usually puts the image in the 150kb range. I think you anoy get about 500kb worth of space in a give post. John Yea I've been doing a little searching on the site and my pics are way too big. I'll post up when I find a way to shrink them. The method listed on this site is incompatible with my version of windows. Thanks I'm not sure what version of windows you are using but you could install Gimp. It is similar to Photoshop but is free(open source). You could also upload the images to a service like Picasa(http://picasa.google.com/intl/en/) that automatically resize your image for web presentation and then download the resized image It looks like Google has a project called Picnik(http://www.picnik.com/) that is a free online image manipulation program also. John |
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