pics of the 72 as promised but I have questions Options

[SLITS]

I paid him for it yesterday. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) with the understanding that what ever it takes to get it running we split the bill down the middle.

Wish you guys were closer. Beer and pizza would be on me.

Bummer ... I had just made airline reservations to come and purchase it .. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[Spoke]

Would you mind restating that?:

The MSD can be tested independently. Power on, intermittently ground the 'points wire.' You should make sparks.

The points replacement can also be tested separately with a meter.

That's how I checked to see if the MSD was bad. I didnt get any spark.

Where did you check for spark? Did you index the engine so the disty rotor is pointing to a spark plug?

For my 2 cents, go to a Pertronix electronic points replacement and standard blue Bosch coil. This is relatively simple and works. Some say they fail if the ignition is on and the engine not running so I just avoid this situation.

[Prospectfarms]

Thanks everyone for the education.

Superdad, I hope you didn't mind.

One reason I asked is that to find the problem you have to decide whether you're going to work your way back from the plugs until you find electricity or, replace it all with a stock ignition and start reinstalling the add-ons one by one until it stops working. For either strategy to work you have to understand what you got. As it's been said, watch out for those capacitors, they can store some juice.

Good info guys.

[superdad88]

WE HAVE SPARK!!!! I took the MSD out of the system and took the 2 wires from the gold box and connected them to the coil.

Now all i need is a new fuel pump. I tried putting 24v to it and nothing. I can spray starter fluid in the carb and it will act like it wants to fire but stops as soon as it quickly burns up.

Anyone know where I can get my hands on one? I can't seem to find one not even from pelican parts.

[SLITS]

WE HAVE SPARK!!!! I took the MSD out of the system and took the 2 wires from the gold box and connected them to the coil.

Now all i need is a new fuel pump. I tried putting 24v to it and nothing. I can spray starter fluid in the carb and it will act like it wants to fire but stops as soon as it quickly burns up.

Anyone know where I can get my hands on one? I can't seem to find one not even from pelican parts.

Use the single in / single out that was installed on the '75 - '76 ... much cheaper than the 3 port pump. And the pressure relief port on the 3 port was useless. Just run the return line direct without the "T" from the pump.

You can get one from NAPA for about $32 ... Part Number N69133 ... there was a post on it. It will have a 12 mm inlet and 7 mm outlet. Connectors are spade terminals. It is a Genuine Bosch.

Don't panic when you look up the part number as it will tell you it's for a Ford ... these pumps were used on a LOT of cars.

[Dave_Darling]

Wait wait wait--you said carb? Does this have carburetors on it? If so, you DO NOT WANT the stock pump or anything close to it! You want a low-pressure pump for carbs; available at many places, likely including your favorite local parts store. Most of the mail-order outfits also sell Facet "clacker" pumps (they're loud but they're cheap) that work.

--DD

[superdad88]

Well I just assumed it was a carb engine. Didnt know they made FI back in 72. WOW I have alot to learn.

So I guess I need to figure out if its carb or FI. OK so after doing some reading I am guessing its FI because a carb 1.7 is supose to be illeagle and were switched from carb to FI. Is this correct?

Jason

[ArtechnikA]

Well I just assumed it was a carb engine. Didnt know they made FI back in 72. WOW I have alot to learn.

So I guess I need to figure out if its carb or FI. OK so after doing some reading I am guessing its FI because a carb 1.7 is suposed to be illegal and were switched from carb to FI. Is this correct?

DO NOT GUESS.
You can't make any assumptions based on anything you read anywhere.
All that matters is what's actually on _your_ engine...

VW's had Bosch D-jet EFI at least as far back as 1969, with the 411/412 Fastback/Squareback. 914 production started in 1969.

a simple clear photograph of the entire engine compartment will clear up a host of questions. *Probably* it is injected and the thing in the center is the throttle body.

It's OK if you can't tell by looking - we all started somewhere. But someone here _can_ tell by looking so - picture please. Help us help you...

[SUNAB914]

I don't think this will be a easy as it sounds, but we can hope. What is the back ground of this car? How long has it been sitting? Nice looking car though.

[SLITS]

In another thread, he had stated that one of his relatives owned a Pawn Shop. The PO apparently stopped paying the loan money back on the pawned car and he had spotted it in amongst other things in a storage facility. An agreement was made to purchase the car for $1500 (which I would have jumped on).

I think he said the car had been sitting about 5 years. His relative would start it occasionally to move it, but it stopped starting.

I don't think I am dreaming ...............

[superdad88]

In another thread, he had stated that one of his relatives owned a Pawn Shop. The PO apparently stopped paying the loan money back on the pawned car and he had spotted it in amongst other things in a storage facility. An agreement was made to purchase the car for $1500 (which I would have jumped on).

I think he said the car had been sitting about 5 years. His relative would start it occasionally to move it, but it stopped starting.

I don't think I am dreaming ...............

You are correct. But it was in the wearhouse for around 3 years, my uncle would start it and move it around to access more space or move it more out of the way within those 3 years he would start it. Up until a few weeks ago he went to start it and it wouldnt start. I will stop over there after work and take abunch of pics of the engine and post them.

Thanks guys

[skota]

Nice buy, love the color (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[superdad88]

Yeah, I can't wait to get it running so I can take my daughter for a ride. She's 6 and still has no idea I have it. Don't want to show her till I pull up in it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[superdad88]

Here are some pics of the motor and the fuel pump.

[KELTY360]

Here are some pics of the motor and the fuel pump.

Definitely D-jet FI. That's a plus once you get it sorted out with the ignition issues.

[superdad88]

Whats a D-jet and why is that a plus? Sorry i am trying to learn. Also any ideas what to do about the fuel pump replacement?

[SLITS]

Whats a D-jet and why is that a plus? Sorry i am trying to learn. Also any ideas what to do about the fuel pump replacement?

D-Jet = "D" is for Druck in German meaning pressure. System operates via manifold pressure. In your last pic, the silver pineapple is the MPS (Manifold Pressure Sensor) which feeds signals to the brain (ECU) which controls the amount of fuel sent to the engine via injectors,

where you want to read is P Banders Treatise on D-Jet

The fuel pump I told you about a couple of posts up will work admirably.

[superdad88]

Whats a D-jet and why is that a plus? Sorry i am trying to learn. Also any ideas what to do about the fuel pump replacement?

D-Jet = "D" is for Druck in German meaning pressure. System operates via manifold pressure.

where you want to read is P Banders Treatise on D-Jet

The fuel pump I told you about a couple of posts up will work admirably.

Cool, I will look into that pump and start reading. You guys rock!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Lets hope it fires and runs.

[SLITS]

The + in fuel injection (D-Jet) is mileage (expect 27+ if everything is right), good starting in any weather and the ability to go to altitude without retuning.

[Hammy]

BTW, none of your pics show the fuel pump. The last one shows the MPS (as Slits stated) and fuel pressure regulator.