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| Howard |
 Jun 30 2004, 12:13 AM
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Incontin(g)ent Member  Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None 
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Renting the track, as you might imagine, is a bit more expensive. And available tracks are in the desert, so no go during summer months.
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| skline |
Jun 30 2004, 01:29 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
If we have a 3 or 4 day event, we could have one day just dedicated to a track day, then another day dedicated to taking over a local beach or park for a beach party BBQ or something like that. It would draw quite a bit of attention with the locals.
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| seanery |
Jun 30 2004, 07:55 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
bump
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| GWN7 |
Jun 30 2004, 08:31 AM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Wouldn't renting a track for our own use allow us more track time for each car?
and if we join another group, wouldn't the venue still be out in the desert? (hot no matter which way)..... |
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| seanery |
Jun 30 2004, 08:35 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
as an FYI, I believe that the cost between the autocross and the track day is not huge. The track can supply insurance which allows us to have our own event. The venue in question (from what I've read and been told) is user friendly, and not a super high speed track.
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| Howard |
Jun 30 2004, 10:30 AM
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Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None
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Renting track allows us to have AX, skid pad, put on a driver's ed, and have real seat time. It doesn't cost much more, but does require work and planning. Everyone would have to pitch in.
The only track I have talked to so far, Willow Springs, has a low speed course (Streets of Willow). Lots of uphill and downhill turns in 2nd and 3rd gears. Faster than AX, but not scary. Best analogy is that 914/4's turn about the same lap times as 993's. Think of it as a twisty road tour with no oncoming traffic or Highway Patrol. Run in groups of novice/touring, amateur, and Speed Racer so no getting run over. No passing except on straight, etc. Biggest disadvantage is that summer temps similar to Saudi Arabia, so would need to be spring or fall. Biggest advantage is your butt will get sore from having that much track time. Attached image(s) 
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| rick 918-S |
Jun 30 2004, 10:44 AM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,459 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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Howard, Willow looks like a blast! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) Any idea's who we can get to sell us event insurance? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) And how much of course... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol3.gif)
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| GWN7 |
Jun 30 2004, 10:51 AM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
after a 3000 mile drive there, I think my butt will be condishioned to some more extra long seat time...(insert padded sore butt smiley) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Dosen't the track carry the insurance? that track looks great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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| Howard |
Jun 30 2004, 11:12 AM
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Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None
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Details, details (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
8am to 5pm $2000 track rental $ 667 $5mil event insurance (required) $ 350 5 hours EMS/Rescue/Tow truck (required) $3017 total Bring as many cars and drivers as we want. Monday thru Thursday. If Friday, they charge add'l $10 per car gate fee. Weekends are pretty well booked, and cost more anyway. If 100 sign up for WCC 05, that's about $30 per entry, so like a dinner. With any luck we can get a sponsor to help. |
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| Jeroen |
Jun 30 2004, 11:15 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
I guess that's the big plus for AX, newbies would be easily convinced to try it.
A low speed course would be cool, since it won't scare newbies away and very little risc is involved. Adding an AX and skidcourse to that would make it even better! cheers, Jeroen |
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| Jeroen |
Jun 30 2004, 11:18 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Those prices look very feasible!
IIRC this years AX was $35 (included in the reg.fee) Go for it!!! cheers, Jeroen |
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| Andyrew |
Jun 30 2004, 12:26 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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A track event.. Hmm I voted for the auto x.. But, IF its 30 dollars more for a decent track day.. I would say yay! What are we talking? 100 cars on the track for a what 2 lap round no passing? Then afterwards a "Time trail" or ''DE" type event? Heck, I'll be 18 by then, so HECK YA!
admin, change my vote (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andrew |
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| seanery |
Jun 30 2004, 12:50 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Andrew, it wouldn't be $30 more. That's the thing, the autocross this year was $30 or $35. The fees were part of the registration. It would be the same this year.
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| Andyrew |
Jun 30 2004, 01:53 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Im conservative..
and Yes, I realised that. Andrew |
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| rick 918-S |
Jun 30 2004, 04:40 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,459 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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I voted to combine our event with others as the 04 event was. But I would have no problem paying $ 50.00 for a track day event considering the cost involved traveling half way across the country. The local BMW Club rents Brainard International Raceway (BIR) here in MN twice a year. The event is $ 300.00 and it gets booked out.
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| PatW |
Jun 30 2004, 06:56 PM
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Wassup? Group: Benefactors Posts: 565 Joined: 19-February 03 From: Rocklin, CA Member No.: 317 Region Association: Northern California |
Willow Springs looks like a good idea to me.. Skidpad and/or Auto-X, then on to the Big Track for some fun... All for around 30$ and some change. Sure I'll drive down there for that!. The desert down there is nice in early spring.
A Ducati club I used to run with got track time at Thunderhill with the nights hotel stay before as part of the package. Maybe?. Pat |
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| Trekkor |
Jun 30 2004, 07:38 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I'll go to that for $50. No problem.
Any chance of Sears? |
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| Malmz |
Jun 30 2004, 07:38 PM
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CSOBOSC founding member Group: Benefactors Posts: 489 Joined: 22-April 03 From: So. Cal Member No.: 602 |
IMO, do whatever it takes to nail a date early yet do it in the Summer months (when kids, our younger members, and students are out of school).
Streets of Willow would be hot, but I think it is better to endure the heat and do it in the summer, or if the heat is too much of an issue, find an alternate and still have it in the summer. Just my $.02. sm |
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| 914werke |
Jun 30 2004, 08:27 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,062 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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How about Thunder Hill? Portland Int.?
Pacific Raceway Park? Spokane Raceway Park? Brainard Would be sweet too! (FAST!) |
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| Howard |
Jun 30 2004, 08:52 PM
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Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Jun 30 2004, 06:27 PM) How about Thunder Hill? Portland Int.? Pacific Raceway Park? Spokane Raceway Park? Brainard Would be sweet too! (FAST!) Rich, careful. Making suggestions like that gets you 'nominated' to the board. Since 06 WCC will probably be in NW, I nominate you. Just find a time and place that's not too hot, not too cold, and doesn't rain. It must have cheap meals/lodging, great bars, beautiful scenery and a racetrack nearby. Did I mention the dancing girls? |
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