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> Starters?, Rock and a hard place
Razorbobsr
post Aug 18 2011, 03:42 PM
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I have a starter that a........ Go/ No go/ work history. I have a long fall trip planned [1000 miles] and dont much care to have the wife do any pushing[as she has in the past] as this has been a bone of contention!!!!!!!! I would like to keep the original starter[that does work, sometimes] but would like to know your thoughts on going to a hi-touque starter. I have used them on my hi horsepower british cars. Bob
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:54 PM
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.....1st clean all the green off all contacts:idea:
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:55 PM
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I rebuild the original starters at a local shop that does just that.
I have had poor luck with ones that are being rebuilt elsewhere.

Aside from that...learn to park on hills.

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post Aug 18 2011, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(Drums66 @ Aug 18 2011, 05:54 PM) *

.....1st clean all the green off all contacts:idea:
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Done! Starter spins, does NOT always ingage flewheel. Bob
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post Aug 18 2011, 04:04 PM
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Sounds like the solenoid is gunky.
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post Aug 18 2011, 04:49 PM
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.......Now tap starter with a hammer a few times
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post Aug 18 2011, 05:38 PM
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Not a Hijack, still on topic...

I just tried to bench test my starter using a battery charger.
It didnt go so well, which doesnt surprise me since a charger cannot put out as much current as a battery.

Anyway:
1- It didnt spin very well.
2 - the solenoid kicked out but didnt pull back in & required significant effort to PUSH it back in.

#1 doenst worry me until I try it with a fully charged battery, but regardless of that, the solenoid should have pulled back in by itself if it kicked out.

Can I take this thing apart to re-lube the solenoid or is it sealed?
Where would I send this starter if I want it rebuilt?

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post Aug 18 2011, 05:59 PM
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Just stop fooling around and order up a "Genuine Bosch Remanufactured" SR 17X. Hey, it's your wife, and it's your long anticipated trip. Don't screw it up.

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post Aug 18 2011, 06:00 PM
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Call a local VW shop and see if they can acquire a new solenoid. Damn near as expensive as a rebuilt starter.

Bendix should have pulled back in when power was released.

Sorry Cap'n. Your idea is better.
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post Aug 19 2011, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Aug 18 2011, 07:59 PM) *

Just stop fooling around and order up a "Genuine Bosch Remanufactured" SR 17X. Hey, it's your wife, and it's your long anticipated trip. Don't screw it up.

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LOL ok. Worth keeping the old one as a back up? Where do I clean and lube the old one, just in case and for my own info. Bob
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post Aug 19 2011, 07:35 AM
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inside the solenoid on the shaft that the fork runs along.

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post Aug 19 2011, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Aug 18 2011, 03:59 PM) *
Just stop fooling around and order up a "Genuine Bosch Remanufactured" SR 17X.
Great advice. I'm going to relate a story here. Back in 1986, when I was daily driving my 914, I had a CV joint come apart on acceleration. The CV hit the starter so hard it bent the starter casing and cracked the transaxle housing. Repairs were made and a new Bosch starter installed. Over the next few months the battery kept draining. Turned out the brand-new starter had an internal short and was draining the battery. It took months to figure this out, and frustration and complications led me to eventually store my beloved 914 in favor of more 'reliable' transportation. 25 years later, she's still waiting patiently.

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post Aug 19 2011, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Aug 18 2011, 06:59 PM) *

Just stop fooling around and order up a "Genuine Bosch Remanufactured" SR 17X. Hey, it's your wife, and it's your long anticipated trip. Don't screw it up.

The Cap'n


Hehehehe! I'm gonna dissagree with the Cap'n! This is dangerous...

but fun.


Remans are crap. The last three "Genuine Bosch remanufactured" I've had were horrible. Diodes failed. Ground lugs spun off.

If there was a local rebuilder, maybe, but theses Boch-ican rebuilds are consistantly poorly done.

I've had the same high torque starter now longer than at least 2 rebuilt SR17s.

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just my 12 volts worth...
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post Aug 19 2011, 12:04 PM
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New high torque starter has worked great for me for last year.

John
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post Aug 19 2011, 01:59 PM
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recommendations on the best place to get a high torque starter?
And a model # would be good.

Do they weight more or less?

Stu
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post Aug 19 2011, 02:49 PM
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.....Do what your wallet says...it speaks loud!!LOL
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post Aug 19 2011, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(stugray @ Aug 19 2011, 12:59 PM) *

recommendations on the best place to get a high torque starter?
And a model # would be good.

Do they weight more or less?

Stu


Lighter, smaller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-911...=item4aad41049f

If that link expires, search ebay for "porsche 914 mini starter" and look for vendor "hiperformanceofamerica"
http://stores.ebay.com/hiperformanceofamerica
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post Aug 19 2011, 03:18 PM
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I've got a started off mine you can come get if you want to make the drive to Lafayette.
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post Aug 19 2011, 07:23 PM
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Why has no one suggested the "hot start kit" page 128 in the AA book and page 53 in the Performance catalog. I've been using these for 30 years in VWs and 914s . Simple and cheap insurance. easy install.
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post Aug 19 2011, 10:45 PM
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hot start band aid?

Sigh, ok, I give, it's not a horrible idea. You can pick up a Ford relay and get it done much cheaper. Offloading some current from the starter switch isn't a bad idea. It's just that often these patches cover other problems. Hot start kit, and vapor lock, both make me cringe.

But do what works for you.

For what it's worth, I've had fine luck taking care of the stock parts. After >30 years they need some maintenance. But if replacing parts, I'd rather replace components with newer modern units than adding extra patchy stuff.
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