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Which starter needed for conversion?, Options? |
moparrob |
Aug 27 2011, 07:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
My '74 is in the process of being converted to a 6, using a '79 3.0 SC motor. I'm assuming my old starter won't have the torque to spin the six. I am also concerned whether the ring gear has a different tooth engagement than the 4 cylinder engine had.
To further complicate things, I am using a Kennedy conversion flywheel, so I don't know if that makes a difference. Does anyone know what would be the highest torque and most dependable starter to use? Thanks in advance. |
Cap'n Krusty |
Aug 27 2011, 08:26 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
A 911 SC starter will work just fine if Kennedy's flywheels are made to work with a stock 911/914 tranny.
The Cap'n |
moparrob |
Aug 27 2011, 08:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
Thanks Cap'n.
I wish my engine came with a starter but it didn't. Is the stock Bosch starter the best one to use or has someone come up with a newer/better starter, perhaps higher torque or some such thing? |
moparrob |
Aug 27 2011, 08:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
This one looks too good to be true. Right price and high torque.
ebay auction for starter Does anyone have any experience with these? |
rfuerst911sc |
Aug 28 2011, 03:44 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
The hi-torque can be a good addition as they are generally smaller , lighter in weight and stronger. However some folks have had problems with them shearing off ring gear teeth because the tooth engagement was not correct. For my SC I bought mine from Pelican because I was confident they would sell the correct one. That was several years ago and no problems at all. When it came to my 914 with a 3.0 and Kennedy adaptation I didn't feel confident using one of these. So I purchased a OEM Porsche turbo starter which for over a year now has been working great. As long as you get good tooth engagement any starter will work. Knowing you are getting good engagement is another story (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Razorbobsr |
Aug 28 2011, 07:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Terre Haute Ind Member No.: 11,813 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
This one looks too good to be true. Right price and high torque. ebay auction for starter Does anyone have any experience with these? I just installed one to cure a hot start prob, have used them on my Hi Po British cars. Drove 350 miles this past Sat to go to 914 cook out in Portage Ind[good time!] Started every time! Bob |
moparrob |
Aug 28 2011, 01:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
I have the engine and trans out of the car at present. I know they give you a 2mm spacer to use to help with the issue, IIRC.
Is there any easy way to check if the alignment of the pinion and ring gear is correct while it is out of the car? |
dion9146 |
Aug 28 2011, 08:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 469 Joined: 16-May 04 From: Buckner, KY Member No.: 2,071 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I bought a used SC starter from a local guy. It spins my 3.2 with PLENTY of power.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Aug 28 2011, 08:13 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Thanks Cap'n. I wish my engine came with a starter but it didn't. Is the stock Bosch starter the best one to use or has someone come up with a newer/better starter, perhaps higher torque or some such thing? I understand you don't have a starter of any kind. My point is the SC starter will work and it's appropriate for this use. The only downside may be its weight. It won't eat the ring gear, fits squarely on the mounting without shimming, and there's no fitment or modification issues. The Cap'n |
SLITS |
Aug 29 2011, 06:57 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
I think I do this one more time for shits and giggles ......
The /4 starter was used on 911s in alternate years (SR17X). At times Porsche felt they needed a larger starter for the /6 (SR68X). Both are Bosch Rebuilt Numbers. I could get the Lester numbers & Bosch OEM but don't have them handy. SR17X is 0.8 kW and SR68X is 1.2 kW. Robert Bosch GMbH does not rebuild the starters directly in the US. They contract with other existing rebuilders and supposedly these other rebuilders do the same quality rebuild and I do say "supposedly". In this day and age, with minimal profits, lifetime guarantees and Chinese imports, many shortcuts are applied to "rebuilt" units by the various entities that "rebuild". The public demanded low price and guarantees and got what they wanted .... Hi-torque starters are made by at least two entities. The IMI Brand was started by Isom Brothers Rebuilders in Whittier, CA. They use a Hitachi Gear Reduction and machine a new nose to fit the application. There have been fitment issues with these starters and they use several different kW units. IMI was turned over to someone else before Isom Brothers went out of business a few years ago. They are out of Riverside, CA now. I have one but am reluctant to install it on a car. R&B Performance (Parker, AZ) also uses a gear reduction starter but he (Ron) uses the Nippondenso starter. His process is careful and no fitment issues have arisen. A lot of his starters are sold at swap meets in California / Arizona. He travels to all of them. Also, you won't get them for $119.00 .... his are about $165 at the swap meets. I know him personally and trust his components. His units can be ordered direct. I'm done. |
moparrob |
Aug 29 2011, 10:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
This one is the Nippondenson per the auction...
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Ericv1 |
Aug 29 2011, 04:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 30-December 07 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 8,518 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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