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scotty b
post Nov 6 2011, 07:20 PM
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any tricks/advice on welding to our 1970 sheet metal. maintaining structural integrity between the new and older metals is well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)


Cut the rust back to where you have good clean solid metal and there is no issue to be had (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Make a nice tight fit up and buttweld the two panels together

Oh and Pete....freaking sweet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)
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post Nov 7 2011, 09:13 AM
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Very nice explanation of the process. It seems like you could reposition the holder for the cutters in relation to the just cut surface of the old cutter and not get the .003-.005 difference. I'm guessing the cutter has several seperate carbide cutters mounted in it? and thats where the variance is? Or is it one solid carbide tipped cutter?

Sorry I went back and read your description again, it's the difference in the dimensions of the carbide insert.
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post Nov 17 2011, 10:40 PM
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A hint for your next part. This should be easy to do:

!! We want new heat exchangers !!
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post Nov 17 2011, 10:49 PM
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very nice, your hard work makes mine easier!! cant wait to get my order for my -6 project

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post Nov 17 2011, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(Valy @ Nov 17 2011, 08:40 PM) *

A hint for your next part. This should be easy to do:

!! We want new heat exchangers !!


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post Nov 17 2011, 11:07 PM
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Sweet programing. I used to make molds. Have you ever used the new highfeed cutters. Ingersoll has a sweet lineup. Steels at 350 ipm.!

I have the hole in the front of my 914 from the a/c. I could use a new front to fill the hole.

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post Nov 18 2011, 02:30 PM
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Little update...

I have taken the die off, obviously, and started to work on another die. I have a deadline to meet in February for the 356 literature swapmeet. I am making a hood die for a 356 A coupe, so that is taking up the majority of my time. After I am done this project I will focus my time on the 914 trunk pan again.


John at SSI already has the tooling for the heat exchangers. I know you all want me to make these, but I am not familiar with stamping out stainless steel. I would also have to have a tube bender, which is not in my budget. Sorry guys, but we will have to stick with what is out there.

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A hint for your next part. This should be easy to do:

!! We want new heat exchangers !!


I have not used these new highfeed cutters yet. What kind of rpm do you have to be running to feed that quick?

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Sweet programing. I used to make molds. Have you ever used the new highfeed cutters. Ingersoll has a sweet lineup. Steels at 350 ipm.!

I have the hole in the front of my 914 from the a/c. I could use a new front to fill the hole.

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post Nov 18 2011, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(peteyd @ Nov 18 2011, 12:30 PM) *
John at SSI already has the tooling for the heat exchangers. I know you all want me to make these, but I am not familiar with stamping out stainless steel. I would also have to have a tube bender, which is not in my budget. Sorry guys, but we will have to stick with what is out there.

He's got the tooling but what he does *not* have is the intention of ever using it again.

I haven't talked to him in a while, but i'd be surprised if his opinion has changed on the matter.

Someone should really buy all the tooling from him and start making new heat exchangers.

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post Nov 18 2011, 03:17 PM
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They have been made - Mittlemotor sells them.
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post Nov 18 2011, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 18 2011, 01:17 PM) *
They have been made - Mittlemotor sells them.

Ok, then let me rephrase that: Someone should really buy his tooling and make them for a price that is less that what the average 914 is worth.

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post Nov 18 2011, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 18 2011, 04:28 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 18 2011, 01:17 PM) *
They have been made - Mittlemotor sells them.

Ok, then let me rephrase that: Someone should really buy his tooling and make them for a price that is less that what the average 914 is worth.

Is that better? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I think it would be risky to duplicate a product that is already being made and sells to a very small audience. There are still a lot of used heat exchangers floating around for guys on a budget. Maybe a group buy?

What about resto design making steel bumpers?

Especially a front bumper with a GT oil cooler cutout.
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post Nov 18 2011, 04:41 PM
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I think it would be risky to duplicate a product that is already being made and sells to a very small audience. There are still a lot of used heat exchangers floating around for guys on a budget. Maybe a group buy?

I remember when a set of brand new 2.0L SSI exchangers still in the original box would sell for less than $200.

If someone could make them for double that today, they would sell like hotcakes ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Nov 18 2011, 05:12 PM
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The problem is John will not sell just the 914 tooling. He wants to sell his business as a whole. I don't know where he is in that process currently, but he said there was an interested party.

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 18 2011, 01:17 PM) *
They have been made - Mittlemotor sells them.

Ok, then let me rephrase that: Someone should really buy his tooling and make them for a price that is less that what the average 914 is worth.

Is that better? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Nov 18 2011, 05:15 PM
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Is there really a market for steel bumpers? I thought that there are plenty of used bumpers out there still.

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The problem is John will not sell just the 914 tooling. He wants to sell his business as a whole. I don't know where he is in that process currently, but he said there was an interested party.

The problem with John is that he's saying that same line for over 10 years now.

Some 8 years ago, i sat on the table with him and an interested party that had the money to close the deal on said table. John managed to drag it out until the interested party was not interested anymore.
He could have sold the whole lot right then and there.

Honestly, i don't think he really wants to sell the business ...
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post Nov 18 2011, 08:27 PM
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Is there really a market for steel bumpers? I thought that there are plenty of used bumpers out there still.


I don't know if there is a market. I guess it depends on the price. A GT version would be nice.
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post Nov 18 2011, 11:45 PM
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I ran the 1.5 dia at 3000rpm .06 deep at 350 ipm. in 4340 with about 8.5-11 hours per edge tool life (dry) air blast.
http://www.ingersoll-imc.com/en/ingersollt...s_vidplayer.htm is a video

There is also a power feed mini that has 7 flutes. 650-850 sfm at .025 per tooth feed at .035 deep dry.

anyway you can get more tool life,faster running dry with air blast in steels.

Keep up the good work. I miss making moldes. Im jelous (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)

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Is there really a market for steel bumpers? I thought that there are plenty of used bumpers out there still.
I don't know if there is a market.

Somebody already makes those ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 19 2011, 12:45 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 18 2011, 06:27 PM) *
QUOTE(peteyd @ Nov 18 2011, 06:15 PM) *

Is there really a market for steel bumpers? I thought that there are plenty of used bumpers out there still.
I don't know if there is a market.

Somebody already makes those ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)


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http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=108722

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John doesn't want to sell SSI unless he can get enough out of it to buy an island in the south Pacific. I too been on the periphary of a couple near purchases, and John always drags it out, or wants to sell vintage equipment (that's too big and too expensive to move) for homerun prices.
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