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Fender flares, Permanent attachment or removeable attachment . |
GTPatrick |
Oct 15 2011, 01:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 245 Joined: 8-September 05 From: Memphis, Tn. Member No.: 4,768 Region Association: None |
Folks ,I have a question for you .
On fender flares we have either steel or fiberglass items . They should be attached permanently by welding or glueing/fiberglassing them on . Or they can be attached by being removeable by using screws/dzus fasteners . What is your opinion of being permanent vs. removeable ? Also if one uses the removeable process , how do you attach them , screws or dzus fasteners ? Does anyone hqve any photos of the screw/dzus method of attachment ? Thanks to your input on this . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) GTP (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 15 2011, 01:35 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,437 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
What is the intention of the car? PRIMARY use?
Street? Weld on steel flares? Track? Dzus on FG flares. Zach |
GTPatrick |
Oct 15 2011, 02:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 245 Joined: 8-September 05 From: Memphis, Tn. Member No.: 4,768 Region Association: None |
What is the intention of the car? PRIMARY use? Street? Weld on steel flares? Track? Dzus on FG flares. Zach -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This will be a street car and DE/Autocross car . I have not bought it yet but I wanted some opinions of the pros and cons of permanent versus removeable flares . Being removeable does make it easier to work on the brakes/suspension pieces and easier to remove/replace if damaged . GTP (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
Jeffs9146 |
Oct 15 2011, 03:58 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
You can do anything you want and for enough money you can change it any time you want! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)
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VaccaRabite |
Oct 15 2011, 08:14 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,437 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
For street/ax you want welded steel first or bonded fg.
If it was an ax car that did not see street use, then the dzus fg flares would be the way to go. Zach |
Elliot Cannon |
Oct 15 2011, 08:39 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
I used to own a Sheridan bodied 914 that had the fenders attached with dzus fasteners. It was REALLY nice to be able to remove the fenders (in about 5 minutes) and have almost complete access to the suspension.
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PanelBilly |
Oct 16 2011, 09:19 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,804 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Are you going to leave the car in any parking lots where the quick release fasteners can be used to remove the bodywork?
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GTPatrick |
Oct 16 2011, 06:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 245 Joined: 8-September 05 From: Memphis, Tn. Member No.: 4,768 Region Association: None |
Knowing that this is a weekend and many people are out at some activities , such as MUSR 2011 . Would anyone else like to add their opinions or other pearls of widom here ?
I appreciate those who have answered so far . Thanks . GTP (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif) |
dion9146 |
Oct 17 2011, 06:50 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 469 Joined: 16-May 04 From: Buckner, KY Member No.: 2,071 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
GTP,
Let's take my car for example (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif) The evolution of my dzus fastened flares started back in the early 90's when I was completely bitten by the autocross bug and everything I did to my first teener was race inspired or meant to make the car lighter or faster. I was running in AP and needed all of the help I could get. One of those mods was to add much wider rubber along with a 5 bolt conversion, and with that required flares. A friend of mine was also running a nice steel flared car in the same class, but when it came to making suspension adjustments on the fly after each run it was always a pain because he had to remove the wheels for most changes. At the same time, I saw a car similar to mine at Watkins Glen and decided that removable flares was the way to add the space I needed and allow for quicker and easier adjustment of the suspension. Plus, I thought adding flares like this was a lighter option than bonding them to the car and also wouldn't require a repaint of the car. Fast forward. A friend of mine owned the car that I currently have. When he was building it, he liked my removable flare idea so much that he copied it and added the fender beading for a nicer touch of civility. He never had plans to autocross the car (and never did), but liked the look. Naturally, when I bought the car I already Liked the look, and the removable flares have made it nice at times when working on the suspension especially when I changed out the suspension bushings and swaybar bushings last year. They are solid as a rock and I would argue do not suffer from the same cracking that other glass flares do at times. I can sit on them, and they don't move at all. Personally, if I ever built another street GT replica, I might be convinced to go with steel flares only because they look more factory. But, I would also instantly miss the ease of working on the car, and I'd bet the factory might be attaching them my way if the 914 would have had a longer racing life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1112.photobucket.com-2071-1318855821.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1112.photobucket.com-2071-1318855822.2.jpg) Dion |
Randal |
Oct 17 2011, 09:02 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
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Scott S |
Oct 17 2011, 11:24 AM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
I copied a car that was in the old VW&Porsche magazine back in the late 80's. Loved the look - the suspension access was an unknown benefit. It also gave me just a bit more room/flexibility when doind the oil tank on my -6 conversion.
When I paint my car (someday....) I will go to steel (and stock bumpers) - but until then, I am pretty happy with the way it is. The car has looked like this for 15+ years. I also have zero panel flex. Attached image(s) |
dion9146 |
Oct 17 2011, 11:38 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 469 Joined: 16-May 04 From: Buckner, KY Member No.: 2,071 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I copied a car that was in the old VW&Porsche magazine back in the late 80's. Loved the look - the suspension access was an unknown benefit. It also gave me just a bit more room/flexibility when doind the oil tank on my -6 conversion. When I paint my car (someday....) I will go to steel (and stock bumpers) - but until then, I am pretty happy with the way it is. The car has looked like this for 15+ years. I also have zero panel flex. I was thinking about this today. I think the lack of cracking in glass flares with attachments like this is because of the built in joint even though you can't see them move at all. Just enough give to prevent cracking. Cool looking Martini inspired 914. Dion |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 17 2011, 11:52 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,437 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have always liked the look of the welting for dzus fastened FG flares.
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Andyrew |
Oct 17 2011, 01:07 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
^ I agree
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patrick3000 |
Oct 17 2011, 03:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 19-July 06 From: Maryland Member No.: 6,468 |
What can I say, I am old school - steel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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piss'n914 |
Feb 5 2014, 11:08 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 31-January 14 From: United States Member No.: 16,944 Region Association: Southern California |
Used large diameter rivets to hold on my flares. Car is only used for racing. I also like the druz fasteners, but worries about the flares walking away at some point, so stuck with the rivets. Randal, Where did you get your fender flare kit from? i love that look!!! i'd love to replicate that on mine. thanks |
ruby914 |
Feb 5 2014, 12:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 720 Joined: 26-April 09 From: Hawthorne, Ca Member No.: 10,305 Region Association: None |
I have steel and have not come close to completing the car.
It will look great painted until the first ding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I also love the look of the Rivet or Dzus with the added convenience. No worries about a ding. Drive it hard... Still looks great but will never have the class of welded steel. FG to steel bonding has come a long way but I could never see me going that way. |
d914 |
Feb 5 2014, 01:37 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,331 Joined: 12-July 03 From: Atlanta, ga Member No.: 904 Region Association: South East States |
Mine are fiberglass and don like Scott's,,, rivets
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Seabird |
Feb 6 2014, 10:30 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 21-November 13 From: United States Member No.: 16,683 Region Association: South East States |
I was under the impression that a few of the vintage racing organizations did not allow fiberglass flares. For that mater if you are still running a four cylinder no flares at all.
As usual that is the first question that needs to be asked; "Who do you plan to run with?" |
brant |
Feb 6 2014, 10:36 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,620 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I was under the impression that a few of the vintage racing organizations did not allow fiberglass flares. For that mater if you are still running a four cylinder no flares at all. As usual that is the first question that needs to be asked; "Who do you plan to run with?" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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