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| sean_v8_914 |
 Oct 24 2011, 09:31 PM
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Chingon 601  Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541  |
a new car does not have the 30 years of punishment that Scotty has worked out of this one. perfect, straight, clean, new metal does not require all the steps in between required to turn back the hands of time
did that include reassembly? |
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| mikea100 |
Oct 26 2011, 05:31 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 180 Joined: 28-December 09 From: Edison, NJ Member No.: 11,182 Region Association: North East States |
Scotty, thanks for sharing your work, it is state of the art. Can you please post what materials you use, like brand and type of primers, sealers, sand paper grit etc.
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| scotty b |
Oct 26 2011, 06:14 AM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(mikea100 @ Oct 26 2011, 03:31 AM)  Scotty, thanks for sharing your work, it is state of the art. Can you please post what materials you use, like brand and type of primers, sealers, sand paper grit etc. Paint is all PPG Deltron on this car and 2002 clear. I used to use Spies Hecker but due to a change of hands with the local distributor the managers left and I followed them. FWIW that shop is on the verge of shutting down, the managers took 90% of the customers with them. Sometimes the people ARE the most important part of a business (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) My loyalty was with my friends more than the paint. PPG has been just as good a product, color match is just as good, there is just a learning curve when switching brands. Sandpaper is whatever I can get the best deal on up to 180 grit. Usually either 3M or Klingspor. Everything from 320 up to 2000 grit is all 3M Buffing compounds are a dime a dozen, I use 3M because I get good resuilts from it, it is reasonably priced, and damn near every supplier keeps it in stock. |
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| andys |
Oct 26 2011, 01:50 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None 
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+ to everything scottyb said.
Some of you know that I prepped and painted my 914, and I can tell you I won't do another. Tons of work along with the risk of not getting something quite right, which is the same as saying it's best left to the professional. There's value in that $12K that may not be immediately obvious at first glance, but believe me it's there. BTW, nice job on the 930! Andys |
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| horizontally-opposed |
Oct 26 2011, 02:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,432 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None
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Very, very impressed. And, having just gone through this, $12k sounds like good value to me. Very good value.
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| flipb |
Oct 26 2011, 02:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,723 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 10,752 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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It's pretty amazing to scroll through this thread and see the Before & After photos. I can only imagine what it's like to drive a 914 that looks and feels brand new.
Still, the cost of that paint job is about the total amount I have into my 914 in 2+ years of ownership (purchase price plus a lot of stuff that needed fixing). Totally understand why it costs what it does, and see the value... but I would need my money tree to start bearing lots of fruit before I could take that plunge. Maybe someday... |
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| mepstein |
Oct 26 2011, 02:48 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,300 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I'm pretty sure Scott can do paint for less than 12K and still make it look great. As you get close to perfect, the costs go up quickly.
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| Rav914 |
Oct 26 2011, 04:44 PM
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All-weather fan Group: Members Posts: 738 Joined: 15-April 07 From: WA Member No.: 7,669 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(scotty b @ Oct 24 2011, 04:45 PM) ......and the DIY'ers that have actually tried it for themself. I have had more than one car come in where the owner just got disgusted with their own work, or realized they got in over their head. That to me is the best kind of customer, because they tried to do it and realize what it takes. And that would be me. I spent more than a few months painting my car. It was my first and most likely my only attempt. Many many hours and I'm a little disgusted. The mistakes make me wince but at least I don't have to worry about dings or rock chips. When I get the scratch together and just can't stand it any more, a $12K+ check will be easy money to spend. Nice work Scotty, I'm only a little jealous. It may look good in this picture but it's no where even close to that turbo. Attached image(s) 
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| scotty b |
Oct 26 2011, 06:09 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 26 2011, 12:48 PM) I'm pretty sure Scott can do paint for less than 12K and still make it look great. As you get close to perfect, the costs go up quickly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Absolutely. That is why I made certian to state that this car was very much over-restored. The 914 in this post had hell hole repair, previous damage repair on the left 1/4 and basic bodywork for somewhere around 8000.00. Obviously it is no where near the level of the 930, and the paint was the cheapest single stage I will willingly put on a car and stand behind for some amount of time ( there is cheaper but I won't touch it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ) Attached image(s)  
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| plas76targa |
Oct 27 2011, 05:59 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 885 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Frederick, MD Member No.: 1,700 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Oct 23 2011, 03:53 PM) You need to show this to Plasket's wife (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) She would force him to get his car done, then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) I thought the same thing when i first saw this last night. I told K she'll have to see this. update: i have a coil in route from Parts Heaven. Maybe the 911 will start this weekend. okay back to Scottie's thread. The 911 WILL be in your shop someday soon! |
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| rudedude |
Oct 27 2011, 07:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 1-January 05 From: minneapolis, mn Member No.: 3,387 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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I wish I'd had you do my 911. I'd been glad to pay you so little for sch nice work!
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| scotty b |
Oct 27 2011, 12:06 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(plas76targa @ Oct 27 2011, 03:59 AM) QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Oct 23 2011, 03:53 PM) You need to show this to Plasket's wife (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) She would force him to get his car done, then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) I thought the same thing when i first saw this last night. I told K she'll have to see this. update: i have a coil in route from Parts Heaven. Maybe the 911 will start this weekend. okay back to Scottie's thread. The 911 WILL be in your shop someday soon! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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| r_towle |
Oct 27 2011, 12:11 PM
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with todays paint, do you still feel the need to wait between steps?
Given you had no timelag for money or getting paid... And you had a heated booth.... Would it still take such a long time between coats to do it "right"? Rich |
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| scotty b |
Oct 27 2011, 12:20 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Oct 27 2011, 10:11 AM) with todays paint, do you still feel the need to wait between steps? Given you had no timelag for money or getting paid... And you had a heated booth.... Would it still take such a long time between coats to do it "right"? Rich Yes. I don't care how "modern" paint gets. It still needs time for the solvents to completely evaporate and setup to prevent soakback. Go to a local show and look really close at the paint jobs. I can gaurantee, you'll see several with scratches under the finish. Better yet, paint your car, wet sand and buff it nice and slick, let it sit for 3-4 weeks, THEN throw a car cover on it and leave it on there for a week +, then take it off and see what happens. A heated booth only speeds up the initial flash and setup period. Paint continues to setup and out gas for weeks after the job has left. I tell people not to wax or cover a car for a MINIMUM of 6 weeks |
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| r_towle |
Oct 27 2011, 12:55 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,584 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(scotty b @ Oct 27 2011, 02:20 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Oct 27 2011, 10:11 AM) with todays paint, do you still feel the need to wait between steps? Given you had no timelag for money or getting paid... And you had a heated booth.... Would it still take such a long time between coats to do it "right"? Rich I tell people not to wax or cover a car for a MINIMUM of 6 weeks That would never be an issue with me...haha |
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| Dr Evil |
Oct 27 2011, 05:57 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(scotty b @ Oct 27 2011, 02:06 PM) QUOTE(plas76targa @ Oct 27 2011, 03:59 AM) QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Oct 23 2011, 03:53 PM) You need to show this to Plasket's wife (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) She would force him to get his car done, then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) I thought the same thing when i first saw this last night. I told K she'll have to see this. update: i have a coil in route from Parts Heaven. Maybe the 911 will start this weekend. okay back to Scottie's thread. The 911 WILL be in your shop someday soon! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Katmanken |
Oct 27 2011, 06:29 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Purdy work Scotty!
I have only one question: With a rusty car like the 914, do you ever wake up at night and remember that after you put on the color coat, you forgot to fix a couple of rusty sections that were hidden under the primer? That's exactly what I would do... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Ken |
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| Dr Evil |
Oct 27 2011, 07:02 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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He doesnt forget anything. He takes his................time........and gets it all. Even the new stuff that forms while he is waiting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
I am joking, of course. |
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| hwgunner |
Oct 27 2011, 07:07 PM
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914 Parts @ Discount Prices 800.321.5432 Group: Members Posts: 1,714 Joined: 11-November 04 From: Santa Maria, Ca Member No.: 3,095 Region Association: None |
Great write up. Just wish I could do it to my car. I am having a hard enogh time getting it on the road, let alone painted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)
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| scotty b |
Oct 27 2011, 07:11 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Oct 27 2011, 05:02 PM) He doesnt forget anything. He takes his................time........and gets it all. Even the new stuff that forms while he is waiting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) I am joking, of course. I'm putting you on ignore (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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