 IS THIS A REAL LE, 914 for sale on ebay |
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| Mike Fitton |
 Dec 6 2011, 02:45 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-May 11 From: Chicago Area Member No.: 13,069 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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Check this 914 Bumble Bee for sale on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-Porsch...=item35b78b9b09
I know vin# and paint code say it is possible but notice: 1) Sail panels coverd in vinyl with chrome trim 2) Rear 914-2.0 badge not in black plastic 3) rear lenses are euro version not re/white USA. What do you guys think! |
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| JRust |
Dec 6 2011, 02:51 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,317 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Albany Oregon Member No.: 129 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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All those changes could have been made. The only way to know for sure is a COA. Or the original sales slip. If he doesn't have those I would not consider the possibility of it being an LE into your price. Figure it is a regular 914 & if your comfortable wiht the price go for it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| JRust |
Dec 6 2011, 02:51 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,317 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Albany Oregon Member No.: 129 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Crap just opened it & he says he has a COA. I'd say it is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| carr914 |
Dec 6 2011, 04:47 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 125,888 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States  |
It might be a LE, but the Seller has been hitting the Crack Pipe a few times too many.
1. Doesn't run 2. Big Dent 3. Ripped up Interior 4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust 5. Ratty Engine Compartment Basically a 914 that needs to be restored, but at a Cost of $17k - Get Real No Offense to LE Lovers, but I have never gotten the LE thing. A gussied-up 74 is all I have ever seen. And I can't stand the "more Rare than a 914-6". It's a 74 914 with an Ugly Paint Job that anybody could duplicate. You can't duplicate a Real 914-6. |
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| mepstein |
Dec 6 2011, 05:21 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,956 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Dec 6 2011, 05:47 PM)  It might be a LE, but the Seller has been hitting the Crack Pipe a few times too many. 1. Doesn't run 2. Big Dent 3. Ripped up Interior 4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust 5. Ratty Engine Compartment Basically a 914 that needs to be restored, but at a Cost of $17k - Get Real No Offense to LE Lovers, but I have never gotten the LE thing. A gussied-up 74 is all I have ever seen. And I can't stand the "more Rare than a 914-6". It's a 74 914 with an Ugly Paint Job that anybody could duplicate. You can't duplicate a Real 914-6. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Another member said it best. "Rare doesn't always mean valuable" |
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| Johny Blackstain |
Dec 6 2011, 05:50 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Mike Fitton @ Dec 6 2011, 03:45 PM) 2) Rear 914-2.0 badge not in black plastic Not all LE's came in black plastic- mine has been & always will be in metal. I am the original owner & have photographic proof of this which I have posted before. I have also informed Jeff B. of this as well. |
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| ezbngreen914 |
Dec 6 2011, 05:58 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 441 Joined: 11-December 10 From: Sautee, GA Member No.: 12,472 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(carr914 @ Dec 6 2011, 04:47 PM) It might be a LE, but the Seller has been hitting the Crack Pipe a few times too many. 1. Doesn't run 2. Big Dent 3. Ripped up Interior 4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust 5. Ratty Engine Compartment Basically a 914 that needs to be restored, but at a Cost of $17k - Get Real No Offense to LE Lovers, but I have never gotten the LE thing. A gussied-up 74 is all I have ever seen. And I can't stand the "more Rare than a 914-6". It's a 74 914 with an Ugly Paint Job that anybody could duplicate. You can't duplicate a Real 914-6. "4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust" especially if you spray it down with the water hose to make it look more shiny every time you take photos of it. |
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| ezbngreen914 |
Dec 6 2011, 06:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 441 Joined: 11-December 10 From: Sautee, GA Member No.: 12,472 Region Association: South East States |
the picture of the battery looks scary. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)
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| xsJerry |
Dec 6 2011, 07:41 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 26-November 11 From: Arcata, CA Member No.: 13,822 Region Association: Northern California |
Yah, I wanted ask that dude if he was on crack as well. My question is: What is the value of Bumble Bee if it doesn't have any of the atributes of one. All I see is a 2.0 in crappy condition for $17K.
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| 914werke |
Dec 6 2011, 09:04 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 11,293 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Dec 6 2011, 02:47 PM) It might be a LE, but the Seller has been hitting the Crack Pipe a few times too many. 1. Doesn't run 2. Big Dent 3. Ripped up Interior 4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust 5. Ratty Engine Compartment Basically a 914 that needs to be restored, but at a Cost of $17k - Get Real No Offense to LE Lovers, but I have never gotten the LE thing. A gussied-up 74 is all I have ever seen. And I can't stand the "more Rare than a 914-6". It's a 74 914 with an Ugly Paint Job that anybody could duplicate. You can't duplicate a Real 914-6. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) TC it seems its you who needs to step away from the pipe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Just as you are describing the possibility to duplicate an actual LE its equally possible to duplicate a -6, in fact its done ALL THE TIME. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) If its not your cup of tea fine, but give the snobbery a rest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| pete000 |
Dec 6 2011, 10:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,887 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
Yikes !
I bet the internet has fogged this owners sense of value for this car.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) |
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| carr914 |
Dec 7 2011, 02:29 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 125,888 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Dec 6 2011, 10:04 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Dec 6 2011, 02:47 PM) It might be a LE, but the Seller has been hitting the Crack Pipe a few times too many. 1. Doesn't run 2. Big Dent 3. Ripped up Interior 4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust 5. Ratty Engine Compartment Basically a 914 that needs to be restored, but at a Cost of $17k - Get Real No Offense to LE Lovers, but I have never gotten the LE thing. A gussied-up 74 is all I have ever seen. And I can't stand the "more Rare than a 914-6". It's a 74 914 with an Ugly Paint Job that anybody could duplicate. You can't duplicate a Real 914-6. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) TC it seems its you who needs to step away from the pipe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Just as you are describing the possibility to duplicate an actual LE its equally possible to duplicate a -6, in fact its done ALL THE TIME. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) If its not your cup of tea fine, but give the snobbery a rest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) First of all, I said No Offense to LE Lovers. I was not trying to be a Snob, just voicing my opinion. I just hate the "rarer than a -6". I know people pay a premium for them, but I just don't get it. The LE is just a Paint Job without Vinyl & a lot of options. A lot of LE's were painted to undo the LE scheme. Nobody takes a 914-6 & makes a 4. Yes, you can make a 914-6 Conversion ( I own one & had a few others), but you can't truly duplicate one. Most importantly the VIN, but also the little details. I had my Flame Suit on, sorry if I upset LE owners out there |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Dec 7 2011, 08:58 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,824 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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"The car looks much better in the pictures than it does in person....The pictures were taken right after I washed the car"
I think he meant to say it looks shiney because he kept spraying it down so it looked shiney for the pics. I hope he gets the $17k! That makes my non-op 6 worth what, $25k? |
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| 911cab84 |
Dec 7 2011, 10:12 AM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 25-November 11 From: Belgium Member No.: 13,816 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(9146986 @ Dec 7 2011, 06:58 AM) "The car looks much better in the pictures than it does in person....The pictures were taken right after I washed the car" I think he meant to say it looks shiney because he kept spraying it down so it looked shiney for the pics. I hope he gets the $17k! That makes my non-op 6 worth what, $25k? any bids at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) c'mon, 17.000$, seriously??? |
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| PBC914 |
Dec 7 2011, 01:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 30-December 10 From: Minneapolis Member No.: 12,545 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Pain code from the door indicates L041 (LE).
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| Nicky |
Dec 7 2011, 02:24 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 21-March 11 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 12,845 Region Association: North East States |
It always irks me when they say "No reserve auction!!!!" and then have a starting bid of $10,000. Wouldn't $10,000 then be the reserve, if he even let it sell for that and doesn't bid it up himself? Ebay is funny sometimes.
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| billh1963 |
Dec 7 2011, 02:55 PM
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Car Hoarder! Group: Members Posts: 3,408 Joined: 28-March 11 From: North Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Nicky @ Dec 7 2011, 03:24 PM) It always irks me when they say "No reserve auction!!!!" and then have a starting bid of $10,000. Wouldn't $10,000 then be the reserve, if he even let it sell for that and doesn't bid it up himself? Ebay is funny sometimes. I disagree with you on that point. No reserve is just that...the starting bid is your starting point and the final bid takes it. Christie's and other auction houses don't start at $1.00 or $0.01......why should ebay? He does not have a reserve. There is nothing incorrect with his statement. |
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| Nicky |
Dec 7 2011, 04:38 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 21-March 11 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 12,845 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Dec 7 2011, 03:55 PM) I disagree with you on that point. No reserve is just that...the starting bid is your starting point and the final bid takes it. Christie's and other auction houses don't start at $1.00 or $0.01......why should ebay? He does not have a reserve. There is nothing incorrect with his statement. I'm pretty sure auction houses open a no reserve auction item at some starting bid, and if no one bids immediately at that price they move down in starting bid. If they open at 10k and no one bids they will move down until someone bids, they won't say "well the starting bid wasn't met, no sale." That is however what happens on ebay all the time. On Ebay it always seems that the cars shouting no reserve are the ones with some exorbitant buy it now and a starting bid that also seems higher than the car is worth to begin with. Then it sits with no bids at that high price and it isn't sold. Hence that first starting bid is the reserve since you can't bid less than that. "No-reserve auction (NR), also known as an absolute auction, is an auction in which the item for sale will be sold regardless of price" Will that car sell for less than 10k, if you can't even bid less than 10k? |
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| budk |
Dec 8 2011, 11:51 AM
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Yes! It's a Bumblebee! Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 24-July 10 From: Jasper, TN Member No.: 11,970 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(PBC914 @ Dec 7 2011, 02:53 PM) Pain code from the door indicates L041 (LE). PAIN code indeed! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| tscrihfield |
Jan 6 2012, 10:01 PM
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Drive Fast and Take Chances Group: Members Posts: 643 Joined: 8-September 10 From: Amelia Ohio Member No.: 12,156 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Dec 7 2011, 03:29 AM) QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Dec 6 2011, 10:04 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Dec 6 2011, 02:47 PM) It might be a LE, but the Seller has been hitting the Crack Pipe a few times too many. 1. Doesn't run 2. Big Dent 3. Ripped up Interior 4. Rusted Battery Tray - Good chance there is a lot more Rust 5. Ratty Engine Compartment Basically a 914 that needs to be restored, but at a Cost of $17k - Get Real No Offense to LE Lovers, but I have never gotten the LE thing. A gussied-up 74 is all I have ever seen. And I can't stand the "more Rare than a 914-6". It's a 74 914 with an Ugly Paint Job that anybody could duplicate. You can't duplicate a Real 914-6. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) TC it seems its you who needs to step away from the pipe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Just as you are describing the possibility to duplicate an actual LE its equally possible to duplicate a -6, in fact its done ALL THE TIME. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) If its not your cup of tea fine, but give the snobbery a rest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) First of all, I said No Offense to LE Lovers. I was not trying to be a Snob, just voicing my opinion. I just hate the "rarer than a -6". I know people pay a premium for them, but I just don't get it. The LE is just a Paint Job without Vinyl & a lot of options. A lot of LE's were painted to undo the LE scheme. Nobody takes a 914-6 & makes a 4. Yes, you can make a 914-6 Conversion ( I own one & had a few others), but you can't truly duplicate one. Most importantly the VIN, but also the little details. I had my Flame Suit on, sorry if I upset LE owners out there Hate to take sides or "gang up" but (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with TC on this one. After going through a couple of real -6 cars and seeing how people foam out the mouth over them. Nothing against an LE because I've seen the creamies and bumblebees get their attention at shows, but the six cars will do something the LE cars won't and that is hold a value. The thing is people like that Porsche name on the engine rather than VW. To most the 914 is just a snazzy VW until they see a Porsche six hanging under it. I hope for all of stakes in this that the value of these cars get better but That guy is smoking a huge pipe to ask -6 prices for an LE. |
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