Six vs. Four, make a decision Options

[scotty]

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O-O-O-O! Powerpowerpower. Yeah.

Too much of a good thing is never enough.

(null vote -- more power than a stock 1.8 = Good)

[red914]

i love reading about and seeing pictures of the conversions you guys do, but affordability is the name of the game here. i am ecstatic that i will soon be installing dual 34 webers on my 1.7. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) my car is still a blast to drive, and if i take care of it, maybe i can go with big hp later in its life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) keep the Porsche porn coming!

Jake, i wish i had the money to send you in exchange for an engine. I get downright inspired whenever you post a dyno readout. rawk on! leave it to a former Marine to take something and make it more powerful.

[Jake Raby]

Considering that Marines are usually really good at destroying things I take that as a compliment for sure.

[red914]

i understand you have destroyed a few engines in the process of developing the power! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif) blowing up stuff is cool.

what i was alluding to in the first comment was your taking something you wanted to use and improving it through modification. i am sure you saw that sort of thing in the green machine, from tools to expedient antenna.

keep up the good work; i may be too poor (or cheap) to afford one of those awesome type IVs, but by gosh, i sure appreciate seeing what you do. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

[URY914]

This is like asking how high is up?

The answer is- it all depends on what you want to do with it.
Autox or Land Speed record or fun street car.

I say a big -6 would be fun just to hear it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Paul

[J P Stein]

My vote is do what you wanna do and the hell with what anybody thinks/recommends.....research is gud, tho.

If YOU then don't like it, do sumthin else. There will always someone that says "I told you so".....fuckem'.

Enjoy yourself with whatever you do.....or redo.

[ArtechnikA]

2,8 RS -- izzat 'mid' or 'big' ? i called it 'mid' 'cause it'd be built on a pre-SC case.
it's big enough, it's strong enough, and doggone it, people like it.

[mwyatt]

2.7 Six
Great combination of power, relatively low weight (compared to big six or eight), tractability, noise, pedigree, and last but certainly not least - added resale value.
Until I can afford one however, I'll stick with my modified 2.0 four - a great second choice.

[balljoint]

I voted BIG 4, 'cuz that's what I want. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Eddie914]

J P

I second your comment ...

Eddie

[shoguneagle]

I love everything that is being mentioned on this thread. Affordability, development, engine size, big engine, little engine, mid- engine, 2.0 vs. 2.7 vs. 3.2 vs 3.8, big engine, chevy (v-8 power), etc. I love it all!!

Then the question becomes what fits you at a particular time. At this time in my life---I do not want a Ferrari, Lambo, AC Cobra, Porsche, Corvette, Big Block Classics, Collectible cars, etc. I want a rev'er, a 2.x family engine in a mid engine car. Agas!! A Boxer??? NO!!! I like older things, a mid engine car and a reving engine. A Lotus??? Have one, not satisfied. Have a Corvette, Not Satisfied (good for touring, but not for club events). Alfa Romeo??? Have one and will restore because of special type car, but still not mid-engine, not quick, but is very agile. What is left since I can only relate to historic type cars (not Fix It Again Tony Cars). I keep coming back to Porsche. 911?? no, not mid-engine and its handling is quirky (tail end heavy). O'boy, a Boxster -- the car I am looking for all my life; too heavy, no character, no history, no---------------. Thus, the only thing left is a 914 and in my case it has to be a flat six in the 2.x family. It does not matter what size engine since they are quick, agile, and surprisingly dependable. The larger engines lead me to traveling the path of the "hot rodders". This path is different from the one I want to travel. American Hot Rodding is a great path and I have many friends who are involved with it.

The true Path for me is the 914 Sixer route. I can relate to the histories of the Grand Prix; I can relate to the histories of Porsche Club of America; I can relate to under powered cars willing on shear guts and staminia; I can relate tGo club involvement at the individual membership level; thus-----I can relate to history!!!! Gotta have my P-Car fix daily; thus----914-6 flat 2.x family. Don't need anything larger, otherwise buy a more current and up to-date car. Gotta have my fix, GOTTA HAVE MY 914 FLAT SIX.

WHAT KIND OF FIX DO YOU NEED?????

Steve Hurt

[Gint]

I voted mid six. Like I said a few weeks ago, I think 150-175hp six is a great motor for a 914. But that's just MHO.

But I'd buy a real six and leave it as is, well maybe 2.0 S pistons and E cams and be happy. biggrin.gif

That's what mine is supposed to be. And what it feels like. I love it. When it's back on the road, it will do time on a dyno so I can find out for sure what I've got.

[Trekkor]

Great comments (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

Good stuff ahead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I said mid SIX 'cus that's what I bought ( maybe a small SIX ).
That'd be o.k. too.

KT

[bondo]

I voted V8. Get a ride in one, then you'll understand. There's something to be said for a light car with gobs of torque. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif)

[ChrisFoley]

I voted for any 4. I originally bought a stock 1.7. Later on raced it in stock trim. Currently I race with a 1.8 that develops about 150hp. Next I hope to have about 175+ behind me with the same displacement. I do have a 2.2 street car with about 175 and it is an absolute blast to drive. I don't need any more power than that, but more displacement for more bottom end torque in my street car would be awesome.
I really like being able to do more with less. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Porcharu]

The 'other' big six. SVX Subaru 3.3l bored to 3.5l. 11:1 compression, moderate cams, header with reprogrammed stock ECU = 300+ HP in a reliable street engine while keeping the awesome flat six sound. Of course this is after I get the big Subaru four installed and going. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Steve

[HaraldD]

Hello!
I voted for small Six...
Here`s something for your Ears....:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWQPzcw1oac

2,0 "S" with a little bit more HP (about 185)... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[slow914]

Def big four just on lightness and keeping it real concept though the coolest sound I ever heard was from a 2.0 6 with 12.5 compression and a GT muffler so I dont know. Id love to hear a big four with no muffler (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)

[JazonJJordan]

This perspective would depend on position maybe; I see the six's and four's paired: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Both the small six and four underdogs show merit when you really get to wind them out. I feel complete when I have wrung them out knowing it is the touch and timing that now makes more differrence at those limits.

Both the mid six and four come into their own; it is very noticeable how an approachable underpowered agility has now equaly balanced in power-weight-responsiveness. The lean runner just filled out to what we believe we deserved right off the line.

Both the big six and fours are a departure. They are moody wild horses. They overwhelm the simplicity and also the easy balance. Balance now comes at a price and simplicity lost its' fight. What remains is a glaring beast a little less than violent to often alarming.

These cars (to me) remain stoicly in keeping with the bloodline, while heralding certain beautiful attitudes only our 914's possess. While the overall balance changes little, the power distributes a truly different presence.

The v8 alone presents such a solution of traditional power at lower cost and availablity. It truly overwhelms in torque and power and weight. A rotary or subaru or other mill finds solution in strange territory; very high revs, flat curve response and other un-914 manners.

I like them all- really and have learned to respect each as an opportunity of study.
Given the choice, I will like to wind out a smaller engine than to just tap a big power plant. But the mids only show themselves as matured while the remainder show the weaknesses of exhilarating wildness with that extra effort that follows~

[Rod]

Good question and one I have been pondering recently as I NEED more power in my 1.7l.

MY thoughts were to go mid size 3.0 3.2 six-cylinder, but I still think that building a powerful 4 will give the biggest buzz. I just love the idea of a tuned four. My car is used for a lot of long runs though and I'm concerned that if I have a tuned 4 that it may be a bit of a bore on long journeys. So then I think a standard 3.2 six would be perfect again, but then I worry about costs and rebuilding the six.

The engine in my 1.7L is a great one, reliable and solid + totally standard with perfect D-Jet, so I'm in two minds whether to leave it in place too...

Oh god! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)