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| Tom_T |
 Dec 27 2011, 08:17 PM
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TMI....  Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California 
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No Andy.......$8k WAS the ACTUAL last price from the PORSCHE dealer with whom I was sourcing parts, as shown on THEIR retail price list as of 2010! Had one still been in stock then last year - THAT WAS THE PRICE!
And if the tooling is still available from the factory, then they don't need o be recreated, and usually body tooling is good for 10 years & 500k - 1 mm stampings - IIRC from my auto design/engineering studies in the early 1970s. So with only <114k 914's built, they'd have some life in them still - IF they're still around - for either Porsche to produce or another aftermarket maker. No.... I haven't run any numbers to see what the cost, production budget, break even price, etc. would be for making them. I was simply posting a "Gee I wish...." thing here, and you've jumped in on here 4 times - 3x with your: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) .... so just lighten up! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Note the poke & smiley before the peanut gallery jumps on me.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 27 2011, 11:31 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,677 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 27 2011, 06:17 PM)  No Andy.......$8k WAS the ACTUAL last price from the PORSCHE dealer with whom I was sourcing parts, as shown on THEIR retail price list as of 2010! Had one still been in stock then last year - THAT WAS THE PRICE! THAT WAS MY POINT! The factory "body in white" have been NLA for over 20 years now! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE DEALER PRICE IS LISTED AT, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN NLA FOR 20+ YEARS. Jesus, what's with all the yelling? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Seriously, the price that the dealers list is from 20+ years ago when they were still available. That price means nothing in today's market. Nothing ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) |
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| SGB |
Dec 27 2011, 11:50 PM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(McMark @ Dec 21 2011, 08:37 PM) Nobody has ever called me and said, "How much for a repaired/GT flared chassis?" OK, How much for that repaired/GT flared chassis? "If you ever get serious, gimme a holler. Have a diesel and it's been too long since I've been back east." what would it cost you to drive to the east Rohar? I would be all over NC Colfax's shell if it was on my end of the country still. |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 28 2011, 12:59 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 27 2011, 09:31 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 27 2011, 06:17 PM) No Andy.......$8k WAS the ACTUAL last price from the PORSCHE dealer with whom I was sourcing parts, as shown on THEIR retail price list as of 2010! Had one still been in stock then last year - THAT WAS THE PRICE! THAT WAS MY POINT! The factory "body in white" have been NLA for over 20 years now! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE DEALER PRICE IS LISTED AT, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN NLA FOR 20+ YEARS. Jesus, what's with all the yelling? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Seriously, the price that the dealers list is from 20+ years ago when they were still available. That price means nothing in today's market. Nothing ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Nope - last one was sold in `08 according to what the dealer parts guy told me early this year (2011). So you can argue that with him, as I'm going by what he said, and that the parts prices are dropped from the price lists as sold out, but not necessarily from the PET parts catalog, since the latter serves as a reference. I can count that on one hand 4 years back, without using my feet - so not 20+ years ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Maybe not using the "screwball smiley" all the time would help when you talk to folks on line?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) PS - my all caps words were for emphasis, not "yelling." I'm old & write online the way I learned to write on other text documents & on paper, which does not denote "yelling". Just so you know that I wasn't "yelling" at you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 28 2011, 01:00 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SGB @ Dec 27 2011, 09:50 PM) QUOTE(McMark @ Dec 21 2011, 08:37 PM) Nobody has ever called me and said, "How much for a repaired/GT flared chassis?" OK, How much for that repaired/GT flared chassis? "If you ever get serious, gimme a holler. Have a diesel and it's been too long since I've been back east." what would it cost you to drive to the east Rohar? I would be all over NC Colfax's shell if it was on my end of the country still. ... and see, all this talk about new body shells, has sparked some matchmaking for some used shells too! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 28 2011, 02:56 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,677 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 27 2011, 10:59 PM) Nope - last one was sold in `08 according to what the dealer parts guy told me early this year (2011). Your parts guy needs to lay off the crack. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Unless someone can come up with any sort of proof that there was a factory Porsche body in white 914 sold by the factory in 2008, i call BS on that one. They were still listed in the Porsche parts list (and probably still are) when i got into 914s some 12 years ago. They had been NLA for a long time already back then. Like i said, unless you can come up with more than "some dude told someone that somebody somewhere bought one", it didn't happen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) |
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| Mikey914 |
Dec 28 2011, 03:20 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,678 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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Well. If our friend says that tooling would be good for 500,000 inpressions. That may be why the factory phased out the 914. That's about the number of total cars produced (if I recall correctly). As for factory reproduction of the tooling to make these, I don't think we will ever see it. Honestly, the best bet is to support our vendors like Design Restoration. They have been making these parts one at a time. It may take awhile, but it is more probable.
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| TurbOH Brad |
Dec 28 2011, 08:41 AM
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Brad. Just Brad. Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 2-February 11 From: Sparks, NV Member No.: 12,654 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 21 2011, 06:42 PM) Porsche used to sell the 914 "body in white" for $7-8k when they were still available in NOS parts warehouses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Part number 91450100311! I called a dealer though, no such luck. |
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| McMark |
Dec 28 2011, 11:57 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
According to inflation...
What cost $8000 in 1980 would cost $20888.76 in 2010. |
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| mepstein |
Dec 28 2011, 01:18 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,314 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Not to mention that the 914 body is the last car in the world that Porsche would ever reproduce. I bet the molds were recycled a day after the last 914 body was made. Thank goodness for the guys at restoration design!
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| TurbOH Brad |
Dec 28 2011, 01:32 PM
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Brad. Just Brad. Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 2-February 11 From: Sparks, NV Member No.: 12,654 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 28 2011, 02:18 PM) Not to mention that the 914 body is the last car in the world that Porsche would ever reproduce. I bet the molds were recycled a day after the last 914 body was made. Thank goodness for the guys at restoration design! I don't think the presses were ever even in the Porsche factory. Weren't all the bodies in white delivered from Karmann? |
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| mepstein |
Dec 28 2011, 02:10 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,314 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(TurbOH Brad @ Dec 28 2011, 02:32 PM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 28 2011, 02:18 PM) Not to mention that the 914 body is the last car in the world that Porsche would ever reproduce. I bet the molds were recycled a day after the last 914 body was made. Thank goodness for the guys at restoration design! I don't think the presses were ever even in the Porsche factory. Weren't all the bodies in white delivered from Karmann? Right and I'm assuming the molds were owned by Porsche. So I guess I mean Porsche will never sub out the remake of the 914 and I doubt they will authorize someone else to do it on their behalf. Best bet it to get as rust free a car as possible and have one of the great guys on our board set it up for more great years ahead. |
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| rgalla9146 |
Dec 28 2011, 07:39 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,569 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 28 2011, 12:10 PM) QUOTE(TurbOH Brad @ Dec 28 2011, 02:32 PM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 28 2011, 02:18 PM) Not to mention that the 914 body is the last car in the world that Porsche would ever reproduce. I bet the molds were recycled a day after the last 914 body was made. Thank goodness for the guys at restoration design! I don't think the presses were ever even in the Porsche factory. Weren't all the bodies in white delivered from Karmann? Right and I'm assuming the molds were owned by Porsche. So I guess I mean Porsche will never sub out the remake of the 914 and I doubt they will authorize someone else to do it on their behalf. Best bet it to get as rust free a car as possible and have one of the great guys on our board set it up for more great years ahead. Anyone have a picture of a replacement 914 body ? or know of one used for repair ? It seems to me that while they were still available none of our cars were worth enough to justify such effort. Maybe in Germany on a new car in that era but certainly not here. Or very, very rarely here. My brother worked for MB, his whole career in parts distribution. They threw away Gullwing parts ( doors,bumpers,glass.....) by the dumpster full. Now they have the Classiche Centers and can provide those parts. But , those cars sell for $500,000 to 1,000,000 A simple 1932 Ford roadster body in steel, a perfect duplicate of the original is $10,000 +, no old or original tooling. I have one. A 914 body is like the space shuttle by comparison. It will never be reproduced. Especially by the company that wasn't too thrilled with the equation in the first go round. We're on our own to find the good ones and repair the ones we can afford. |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 29 2011, 01:02 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Dec 28 2011, 01:20 AM) Well. If our friend says that tooling would be good for 500,000 inpressions. That may be why the factory phased out the 914. That's about the number of total cars produced (if I recall correctly). As for factory reproduction of the tooling to make these, I don't think we will ever see it. Honestly, the best bet is to support our vendors like Design Restoration. They have been making these parts one at a time. It may take awhile, but it is more probable. Mark - it was only 118,992 total 914 production, per the 914info link here (at top). So even at 500 k stampings (vs. 1+ mm) that leaves another 380k of "life" in them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Yes they were at the Karmann plant, and yes the VW-Porsche partnership was bought out in 1974, so Porsche would own all tooling, parts & everything thereafter. I have no idea if they were destroyed or still exist. Porsche still builds P-cars there (again). As you know Mark, I have been supporting the vendors & members on here! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) BTW all, I got my set of repro early aluminum thresholds & carpet strips from Mark yesterday, and their freaking gorgeous! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) So if the other member yello914 has stopped making them, then Mark's your guy! (mikey914 on here). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) ....shameless plug.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 29 2011, 03:22 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Andy, Andy, Andy..... you're calling BS with BS & heresay, which I won't justify with further discussion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
As for the others.....FYI - This below is an excerpt from the March 2010 PCNA Retail Parts List (they were physically cut-n-pasted from the PCNA list), and included in my April 2010 email to the Porsche Dealer Parts Mgr. inquiring about an body-in-white as an option to repairing my own 73 914-2.0. I was directed to him by a PCNA Regional Service Manager whom came out to my place & checked out some things on my 914 with me. The discussion about the last sale of one was over the phone, so no text to convince Andy. What I found interesting & curious was that there were so many part nos. for "body-in-white", which I presume are for the slightly different bodies from early through late 914s & /4 vs. /6, and which are now NLA in all cases, but I really liked the one listed for $0.03! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) <snipped> A. Complete New Body Options: 91450100310 BODY IN WHITE 6863.75 91450100311 BODY IN WHITE 7463.21 91450100410 BODY IN WHITE 6121.21 91450100411 BODY IN WHITE 9771.56 91450100412 BODY IN WHITE 8334.91 B. Complete New Body Options: 91450191510 BODY IN WHITE 11005.83 91450191511 BODY IN WHITE 10670.27 91450191610 BODY IN WHITE 10511.18 91450191611 BODY IN WHITE 13482.05 91450177913 BODY IN WHITE 0.03 <end snip> Since they are NLA - that was why I started this "Gee I wish..." topic when I saw the Mustang body - really not expecting to be slammed by our illustrious 914 gurus (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) for some wistful thinking! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom Only been around my 73 914-2.0 for 37 years /////// |
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| SGB |
Dec 29 2011, 10:22 AM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
Sometimes it is difficult to tell the diff between a slam and a nudge in text.
BTDT. It is a fun fantasy, especially the $0.03 one. |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 29 2011, 12:37 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,677 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 29 2011, 01:22 AM) I was directed to him by a PCNA Regional Service Manager whom came out to my place & checked out some things on my 914 with me. The discussion about the last sale of one was over the phone, so no text to convince Andy. Then order one and let us know what you get. What are you waiting for? $8k is a steal! Like i said before, they have always listed the 914 body in white. It's been on that list ever since i can remember. That does not mean they are available. Try to buy one, be my guest. When i was looking into this 12 years ago, the answer was i got was clear. Sorry, they are NLA. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 29 2011, 12:54 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SGB @ Dec 29 2011, 08:22 AM) Sometimes it is difficult to tell the diff between a slam and a nudge in text. BTDT. It is a fun fantasy, especially the $0.03 one. Yeah, the parts mgr. & I had a good laugh on the phone over that one! I told him I'll take a dozen.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 29 2011, 01:18 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 29 2011, 10:37 AM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 29 2011, 01:22 AM) I was directed to him by a PCNA Regional Service Manager whom came out to my place & checked out some things on my 914 with me. The discussion about the last sale of one was over the phone, so no text to convince Andy. Then order one and let us know what you get. What are you waiting for? $8k is a steal! Like i said before, they have always listed the 914 body in white. It's been on that list ever since i can remember. That does not mean they are available. Try to buy one, be my guest. When i was looking into this 12 years ago, the answer was i got was clear. Sorry, they are NLA. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Let's see - taking this one by one... I already stated that - yes $8k was a good deal, & that I tried to order one in April 2010 - issue closed! .... and I already stated several times that as of last Spring 2010 I found that they were NLA. Subject finished! Perhaps the guy you had check 12 years ago was either too lazy to look beyond CA, USA or PCNA stocked distribution centers; or maybe he couldn't check worldwide or PCNA due to data base access limitations in `98-00 "...when you first got into 914s"? ...or maybe the PCNA/Porsche database last April 2010 was in error when the parts manager looked up the last body-in-white sale from `08? .... either way, they're NLA now and a moot point! So just let it rest bud! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .... that is, unless someone has an unused NOS one squirreled away & forgotten in a body shop, parts house, warehouse, garage, barn or shed somewhere that isn't in anyone's "system"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) PS - if they were indeed NLA 12 years ago or more, then I don't have to have that: "Dang - just missed it!" feeling of the last one sold just the year before I dug my 914 out of the garage in `09 to start working on it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| JmuRiz |
Dec 29 2011, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(zymurgist @ Dec 22 2011, 10:55 AM) QUOTE(scotty b @ Dec 21 2011, 11:00 PM) If there were the demand , you would see 356 and 911 bodies being stamped new right now. I know a guy who has a complete 911 long hood in this ball park. It's not quite rust free though... Must be talking about your 911 huh? I'll trade you my Benz straight up for it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I think replacement panels are good enough on unibody cars...drop-on bodies for american body-on-frame cars make more sense. |
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