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Tank full of horror!, Is it safe to start? |
mercdev |
Aug 22 2004, 10:09 PM
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Read, search, then read some more Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: 19-July 04 From: Overland Park, KS Member No.: 2,374 |
Just recently I opened the gas cap of my 914, which has been in storage for over 10 years now, to discover a nearly full tank (much to my horror).
Is it safe to still use, or is it basically a tank full of paint thinner now? What should I do? |
JoeSharpOld |
Aug 22 2004, 10:25 PM
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Does it seem cold to you Group: Members Posts: 361 Joined: 29-April 04 From: Camping in Neverland Member No.: 2,001 |
I don't think I would like to run it through my injectors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Brad Roberts |
Aug 22 2004, 10:27 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Pull a line off that goes to the passenger side fuel rail and use the pump to get it out of the car. Drain it into some gas cans.
Dont try and run it. B |
rick 918-S |
Aug 22 2004, 10:30 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,464 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Ask redshift what happens when you run old gas.
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smg914 |
Aug 22 2004, 10:30 PM
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Sahara Beige Steve Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 1,695 Region Association: None |
You have no choice but to drain the fuel out of that tank and replace it with fresh gas. I would imagine a container of Techtron would be a good idea also. I would probably drain the fuel out of the lines that are in the engine compartment also.
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McMark |
Aug 22 2004, 10:33 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Drain the tank. Put a container of fuel injector cleaner in. Put in 1 gallon of gas. Run the fuel pump (short the fuel pump relay) for awhile to get it good and circulated. Drain that out again. And the fill and run as usual with another container of injector cleaner. I like Redline cleaner.
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neo914-6 |
Aug 22 2004, 11:16 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Hey that's classic gasoline! You probably paid 0.99 / gal back then... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Verruckt |
Aug 22 2004, 11:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 716 Joined: 14-July 04 From: Midwest Member No.: 2,348 |
QUOTE(Jaiderenegadesimpson V8 914 @ Aug 22 2004, 09:16 PM) Hey that's classic gasoline! You probably paid 0.99 / gal back then... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Wonder if someone on ebay would buy that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
Jacco |
Aug 23 2004, 12:37 AM
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Designated Dutchman Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 23-February 04 From: the Netherlands Member No.: 1,703 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(mercdev @ Aug 22 2004, 08:09 PM) a nearly full tank (much to my horror). nearly full tank is actually better right.... for storage that is, prevents the tank from rusting on the inside... correct me if I'm wrong though oh and you might want to at least put new fuel lines in the engine compartment... cheap insurance greets Jacco de Haan Delft |
Bleyseng |
Aug 23 2004, 12:45 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yes, drain the tank and flush all the lines.
Gettings rid of that gas is a problem too. I have an old 78 F250 truck that I put in a gallon at a time to mix in the old gas with newer stuff to burn it off. Otherwise you will have to go to a hazardest waste site to dump it. Geoff |
McMark |
Aug 23 2004, 01:28 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Or run it in your lawn mower. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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tod914 |
Aug 23 2004, 08:18 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
After you drain the gas out, pull the tank, inspect it, and clean it. Replace the lines under it. Most likely they are in poor shape too. If you do it all right the 1st time, you'll save yourself alot of headaches later.
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McMark |
Aug 23 2004, 08:26 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
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It's no fun to go through and fix a bunch of stuff. Especially if you're excited about firing it for the first time. But you'll save yourself a lot of trouble if you take the tank out and have it boiled out and coated on the inside. A radiator shop should be able to do it for about $50. Also replace the screen that goes inside the tank. While the tank is out unhook the fuel lines from the engine side and blow air through to make sure there's nothing hiding in there. Then put new fuel lines under the tank and pop it back in secure in knowing that you're not going to have any problems with rust clogging up your fuel injection or buggering up your fuel pump. It'll delay you for a little while, but it's worth it. |
Jake Raby |
Aug 23 2004, 08:27 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Dead gas SEIZES INTAKE VALVES!!
It turns into a varnish that will glue your intake valve into the guide. Seen it MANY times. Drain it all, remove the tank, flush and coat and then flush the entire fuel system before yoiu ever touch the key. |
McMark |
Aug 23 2004, 08:30 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Also, speaking of flushing the system. If it's got the stock D-Jet fuel injection on it you can put injector cleaner and 1 gallon of gas in the tank and jumper the fuel pump so it runs and then turn the key on (not trying to start, just to turn on the power to the system) and open the throttle. As you open the throttle each time it cycles the injectors and should hopefully clean some of the crap out of there.
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Rhodes71/914 |
Aug 23 2004, 11:52 AM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
QUOTE nearly full tank is actually better right.... for storage that is, prevents the tank from rusting on the inside... correct me if I'm wrong though This is such a conundrum. Depends on who you talk to. I am a firm believer in fill the tank. Used to be a commercial fisherman and we always filled the tanks at the end of the season. Mostly diesel though. When you are talking long term, ten years in this case, if it had been left empty I think the tank would still have issues but you wouldn't have any fuel to get rid of. You could start a nice bonfire with a full tank of gas! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
Andyrew |
Aug 23 2004, 12:14 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Big bbq is what comes to my mind for disposing of the gas....
Hmm.. Being a pyro myself I would dump it in a very strong metal trash can (in the middle of nowhere... rocks all around...) and maybe put some fireworks... heck I dont know.. Then justchuck in a flare and watch and enjoy.... Speeking of dead gas.. How long does gas normally last? |
balljoint |
Aug 23 2004, 12:35 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
Just don't use your mouth and a length of garden hose to siphon the tank out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Andy |
Aug 23 2004, 03:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 25-September 03 From: Fort Collins, CO Member No.: 1,194 |
Maybe stating the obvious but be VERY careful pumping the old gas out!
A friend of mine was in a similar situation a year ago, when the pump started going it sprayed out fuel and as he was collecting it there was a huge amount of gas vapor building up, he was afraid to even cut power for fear of the spark so he tried to air out the shop... Luckily he was in the doorway when it blew or he'd be gone along with that shop. That was < 20 gallons (the damaged fuel line caused more vaporization than you should see, but still)! I'd post pics if I'd taken them but there wasn't much to see, used to be a 2 bay with an office, then it was an acre of debris. |
flyloki |
Aug 23 2004, 04:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 20-October 03 From: 8:00 in Boise, Idaho Member No.: 1,264 |
How long does it take for the gas to turn bad?
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