914 Engine Choices, Will buy 914, if I can build a monster Options

[gklinger]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Great post Sammy.

I've had my '73 for 6 years now - driven nearly every day. Is it fast? Not hardly... Is it comfortable? Not in Phoenix without A/C... Would I ever get rid of it? Not on your life...

I’d advise actually getting a car and driving it for a while. You just might find that you like the underpowered little sucker. If not, then do what you want. Bring dollars…

[GreekDriver]

I don't see what's wrong with a higher revving turbo charged I-4 that can put out great power. If your worried about getting the power to the wheels, I'll find someway. In the mean time I would just turn the boost down.

Because my project sounds really ambitious you guys don't like it?

Suspension and Brakes come later, those aren't the hard parts to do.

Here are the characteristics of a 914... In my opinion.

-Good Looking
-Fun
-Tossable
-Great Handling
-Agile
-Light
-Sloppy Shifting
-Quick in an odd way
-Slow most of the time

The only thing I'd be changing would be the last 3. It would be devastingly fast. I'm not changing anything else. Except maybe the seats to something with strong bolster support. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

BTW, the most recent 3.2l BMW engine puts out 333hp, it's in the latest M3... 100hp/per liter, natually aspirated.

You people have no clue what I'm about. I'm probably one of the most anti-ricer people you'll ever meet. I'm talking about installing a GERMAN turbo charged I-4 that can put out great power, and you people call me a ricer and mention fart pipes and stickers!

You guys obviously don't approve of this project. Don't say because it isn't possible, because anything can be done to a car with work.

Did you guys expect me to come and say the 914 is a great shifting car with a strong engine? I came in trying to remedy those problems.

[rhodyguy]

a done, well sorted, high end car in the classifieds here, is what you will spend anyway. less down time too.

kevin

[GreekDriver]

a done, well sorted, high end car in the classifieds here, is what you will spend anyway. less down time too.

kevin

But then I don't learn anything about the 914, and I tend to enjoy the work I have done.

[Sammy]

Ok troll, knock yourself out. Do it and them come back and show us what you did.

BTW some of us have done some very interesting things to 914s, not just talk about it.

[Jeroen]

You people have no clue what I'm about. I'm probably one of the most anti-ricer people you'll ever meet. I'm talking about installing a GERMAN turbo charged I-4 that can put out great power, and you people call me a ricer and mention fart pipes and stickers!

Maybe you're not a rice boy, but you sure sound like one...

You guys obviously don't approve of this project

Obviously, you have no idea what so ever what kind of conversions are already running out there.
It's just that you sound like you are absolutely clueless what you're getting yourself into.
Being uneducated can be fixed, but being ignorant...

If your worried about getting the power to the wheels, I'll find someway. In the mean time I would just turn the boost down.

Or maybe you could just not rev it too high (put a block of wood under your throttle pedal) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif)

Suspension and Brakes come later, those aren't the hard parts to do

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cheers,

Jeroen

[Andyrew]

Let me reiterate my post.. Which you didnt seem to bother reading...




How much money do you plan on spending?[SIZE=7]

Answer that. please...


Now... We dont mind turbo 4's... See anyone dissing Fiids subaru turbo project? No....
Heck we dont even mind super high hp engine's... One guy is running 915hp in a TT SBC....


And NO, suspension and brakes dont come "later" they come IMEDIATELY AFTER, because you WILL need them or else you'll break something or do something bad....

Its like what Porsche did when they turbocharged the 944... They didnt just slap on a turbo... If you do something to one part of the car, it changes another part of the car... They did everything from a 944 to a turbo... Aerodynamics, brakes, suspension, tires, trani, ect.

You will in the end do alot more to the car than you originally plan... Therefore why not start with a car that someone's done alot to already? Then just swap in your engine?

[airsix]

I don't see what's wrong with a higher revving turbo charged I-4 that can put out great power.

Me either. Everybody loves an early 911S, and what was it? A small displacement high-reving "peaky" rocket.

Grab tools (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) and get to work. People will stop flippin you sh*t after you post a few project pictures to show you're not all talk.

-Ben M. (counting down to a marathon 914 modifiaction weekend of my own)

[lagunero]

knock yourself out. Do it and them come back and show us what you did.

I new it got good once I saw the hits on this generic named thread.
Although money usually dictates what you go with, advice utilized does effect the end result. Got cash, do it. Big plans, then save the money and the drama.

[bryanthompson]

And some of you people are so unfriendly! I guess even the 2,000 dollar Porsche owners are douchebags...  ;)

Here I am wanting a lightweight, tossable, highpowered 914, and SOME of you people act like asses.

.....New guys around here usually don't start posting right off the bat. They lurk and read and search and then begin posting ever so gradually until they've built up a little acceptance with the group. .....

That pretty much describes me right now. absorbing all the knowledge I can before tackling the rustbucket...
Is there any way to speed up the acceptance process, though? Or is being a 944 owner a bad mark on my record (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Just kidding... i'm a happy lurker.

[J P Stein]

That pretty much describes me right now.  absorbing all the knowledge I can before tackling the rustbucket...  
Is there any way to speed up the acceptance process, though?  Or is being a 944 owner a bad mark on my record (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

We're all dreamers to varing degrees. Some actually convert their dreams to parts "flying in formation".

"Acceptance" by the group isn't the key(as I see it), rather, do you accept this group....warts & all... and want to keep coming back.

Some times the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) flag pops up.....just like in real life (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[airsix]

Is there any way to speed up the acceptance process, though?

We're a bunch of kids at heart. Pictures. This crowd loves pictures. You post a couple of before-and-after shots of your repair/restoration/modification handy work and you're in like a back-stage pass. You'll have people emailing asking YOU questions before you can say torque-wrench.

4 types around here*:

People who like 914's
Boys/Girls who own 914's
Men/Women who race 914's
Ledgends who build 914's.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) -Ben M.

[Andyrew]

944's are cool...

We have 2 turbo's.. SoloRacer has a turbo, and some other have 944's, and 928's..Dere great!

We dont speak of the 9elebens though.. Except when there parts cars.. There great!!

[jwade]

I agree with Andyrew:

HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU PLAN ON SPENDING?

It also seems like $7000 is a lot for a car with questionable rust.

But if you can throw buckets of money at it, knock yourself out.

john (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[nebreitling]

even starting with a $2k roller, this is easily going to be a $15k-$25k project (new parts/no labor/diy-except the engine) if done "right".

roller ~2k
rust repair ~1k
cage/stiffening 0-2k
paint???? 2-6k
engine 5-10k???
tranny 4-7k???
conversion shit (radiator, etc.) 1-2k
interior 1k
wheels/tires 1k+
suspension 2k
and tons of misc shit ($$$$$$)

if you've got mad skills and patience to slowly aquire parts, don't mind using used parts, or don't care how 'finished' the final result is, you could cut those costs in half or more.

i say go for it, have a blast! people aren't giving you shit because your project stinks. they're giving you shit because expectations-without-the-research attitude. but, once you tear into your project, people will give you respect.

[redshift]

Ok troll, knock yourself out. Do it and them come back and show us what you did.

BTW some of us have done some very interesting things to 914s, not just talk about it.

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sammy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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[redshift]

I've been driving a 914, or another for damned near 24 years, or something. I've had them all 1.7 ,1.8, 2.0, 383/425 heh, and fantasized about everything else, including a fire sale on a twin turbo 935 motor for $22k once..

A BMW motor would be violating the Prime Objective.

If you have $50,000, and a tub to start will, go for it. Make sure you save along the way, cause your going to need another $20k to finish it 'just right'.


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[rhodyguy]

the more i think about it, the more cents you plan makes. a big motor first is def the way to approach the project. if you have your heart set on a bmw engine, howsabout a V-12? the new brakes, clutch, konis, springs, bushings, fresh transmission, cv joints(going nla) and other upgrades are the LAST items you want to worry about. in fact, buy all new seals and paint it first. that way you'll have a great looking car setting in the garage for a year or 3. don't be offended. we just have a lot of experience with "gonna do that" projects on our cars. get an ebay roller, don't worry about the rust, the longs, the hell hole, the rust, the rear suspension ears, the rust, the bondo, the rust, the wiring, or the cracked windshield. did i mention don't worry about the rust? you'll have a pretty nice $12k car, that you might sell for $9k, for $40K.

kevin

[Allan]

WUH HAPPIN? No more posts? Give up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[ArtechnikA]

what's to post?

once again, the choices are:

big 4
Porsche 6
V8

which covers stuff for which there is prior engineering, and

something else, you're on your own.

it's your car, do what you want.

oh - and "don't tell me, show me"

that about cover it ?